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20.       catwoman
8933 posts
 25 Jun 2008 Wed 03:24 pm

Quoting mltm:

I admire his acting abilities.


lol

21.       MrX67
2540 posts
 25 Jun 2008 Wed 04:22 pm

Quoting Deli_kizin:

Quoting MrX67:

such a big political prejudice???Sure nobody can say thats a democratical organization,but i think we all have to give up from our prejudicies for don't set high walls with others who talking or thinking very different from us.....And i think thats our national sickness we so love to close our ears to different voices..



Apparantly you close your ears to different voices because you think it is political prejudice for us to find Gülen dangerous.

Read his books. You will find out he is not a modern free thinker at all. I wouldn't go as far as to say he wants Sharia in Turkey because I am not so sure he does, but I bet many of his followers do!

and thats another phobia which a great barrier on thinking and speech freedom ,no worries Turkey has enough dynamcis for save secularism,and Sheria may be the latest system for our country,whatever thats good to listen whats life from different voices,why this anger not easy to understand??

22.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 25 Jun 2008 Wed 04:32 pm

Quoting MrX67:

and thats another phobia which a great barrier on thinking and speech freedom ,no worries Turkey has enough dynamcis for save secularism,and Sheria may be the latest system for our country,whatever thats good to listen whats life from different voices,why this anger not easy to understand??



I don't see the barrier on thinking and freedom of speech here. If you want to interpret my words as 'I think Fethullah Gülen will make from Turkey an Islamic sharia based country' then that is a barrier on your thinking, because I never said that And I don't have that phobia.

What anger

23.       MrX67
2540 posts
 25 Jun 2008 Wed 04:36 pm

Quoting Deli_kizin:

Quoting MrX67:

and thats another phobia which a great barrier on thinking and speech freedom ,no worries Turkey has enough dynamcis for save secularism,and Sheria may be the latest system for our country,whatever thats good to listen whats life from different voices,why this anger not easy to understand??



I don't see the barrier on thinking and freedom of speech here. If you want to interpret my words as 'I think Fethullah Gülen will make from Turkey an Islamic sharia based country' then that is a barrier on your thinking, because I never said that And I don't have that phobia.

What anger

life doesn't tell same things to everyone DK ,so a real democracy's road pass on respect to all dfifferent thinkings unless they don't give harm common rules or constutional regime,and how we can make stronger a real democracy by set some barriers front of who don't thinking same with us??democracy look likes a fan,and its more handy when we open it widely in constutional regime'S rules..

24.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 25 Jun 2008 Wed 04:41 pm

Quoting MrX67:

life doesn't tell same things to everyone DK ,so a real democracy's road pass on respect to all dfifferent thinkings unless they don't give harm common rules or constutional regime,and how we can make stronger a real democracy by set some barriers front of who don't thinking same with us??



Well I think that if he was given the chance, he would harm common rules.

So you think saying 'I think this man's thoughts are dangerous' is being against democracy?

25.       MrX67
2540 posts
 25 Jun 2008 Wed 04:44 pm

Quoting Deli_kizin:

Quoting MrX67:

life doesn't tell same things to everyone DK ,so a real democracy's road pass on respect to all dfifferent thinkings unless they don't give harm common rules or constutional regime,and how we can make stronger a real democracy by set some barriers front of who don't thinking same with us??



Well I think that if he was given the chance, he would harm common rules.

So you think saying 'I think this man's thoughts are dangerous' is being against democracy?

may be his thoughts usefull for who doesn't think like you,so how you can save their rights??well i'm against all dogmas or all undemocratical organizations or thinkings,but we can't fix any problem by don't listen em.İ can understand ur worries,but if we use the democracy fan closed how we can feel to cool???

26.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 25 Jun 2008 Wed 04:49 pm

Quoting MrX67:

may be his thoughts usefull for who doesn't think like you,so how you can save their rights??well i'm against all dogmas or all undemocratical organizations or thinkings,but we can't fix any problem by don't listen em.İ can understand ur worries,but if we use the democracy fan closed how we can feel to cool???



I never said he doesnt have the right to speak his mind! He can write a million more books, open a million more eğitim merkezleri and spread his thoughts! As long as he does not do anything offending or against the law, he doesnt do anything wrong. I wont ask anyone to sue him and put him in jail for his thoughts. All I say is that I think his thoughts are dangerous, but you seem to have a problem with that. I dont get how you bring 'Fethullah is dangerous' and 'DK is against other opinions and democracy' together

27.       catwoman
8933 posts
 25 Jun 2008 Wed 04:50 pm

Quoting MrX67:

life doesn't tell same things to everyone DK ,so a real democracy's road pass on respect to all dfifferent thinkings unless they don't give harm common rules or constutional regime,and how we can make stronger a real democracy by set some barriers front of who don't thinking same with us??


MrX, from your various writings I can say that what you really mean by this is a lovey-dovey sweet cover for the demand to 'respect YOUR ideas'. You simply say that your culture and ideas shouldn't be questioned or criticized because it's probably hurtful for you to hear disagreement or someone saying that there's something wrong with your country and mentality. You keep on saying 'respect all ideas, all cultures', 'criticism is good', but you get very angry when someone disagrees with you or doesn't think your country is all that great.

I think that you have some contradictions in your ideas. You say that democracy is respect for all people, but when one group of people has ideas that conflict with respect for another group, you always stand for the status quo, the 'regime'.

People as human beings deserve respect, but their ideas don't and shouldn't.

28.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 25 Jun 2008 Wed 04:52 pm

Quoting catwoman:

People as human beings deserve respect, but their ideas don't and shouldn't.



+1

29.       MrX67
2540 posts
 25 Jun 2008 Wed 04:52 pm

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting MrX67:

life doesn't tell same things to everyone DK ,so a real democracy's road pass on respect to all dfifferent thinkings unless they don't give harm common rules or constutional regime,and how we can make stronger a real democracy by set some barriers front of who don't thinking same with us??


MrX, from your various writings I can say that what you really mean by this is a lovey-dovey sweet cover for the demand to 'respect YOUR ideas'. You simply say that your culture and ideas shouldn't be questioned or criticized because it's probably hurtful for you to hear disagreement or someone saying that there's something wrong with your country and mentality. You keep on saying 'respect all ideas, all cultures', 'criticism is good', but you get very angry when someone disagrees with you or doesn't think your country is all that great.

I think that you have some contradictions in your ideas. You say that democracy is respect for all people, but when one group of people has ideas that conflict with respect for another group, you always stand for the status quo, the 'regime'.

People as human beings deserve respect, but their ideas don't and shouldn't.

30.       MrX67
2540 posts
 25 Jun 2008 Wed 04:53 pm

Quoting Deli_kizin:

Quoting catwoman:

People as human beings deserve respect, but their ideas don't and shouldn't.



+1

-1

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