Quoting admin:

This word, as far as as I know, is very explicit. Deletion of a post is the subjective judgment of the moderator or admin based on the site rules.

Quoting aenigma x:

AllTooHuman I am sorry you feel so strongly as to ask your account to be deleted, but feel I must explain something here.

Sometimes checking a dictionary for a word's meaning is not enough (especially if you are using swear or slang words). Whatever its meaning, the word you used is considered to be the most offensive and taboo of swear words.

I dont know about the USA, but certainly in the UK it is socially unacceptable to use this word. It has completely different status to the other words you used as comparisons.

Quoting aenigma x:

AllTooHuman I am sorry you feel so strongly as to ask your account to be deleted, but feel I must explain something here.

Sometimes checking a dictionary for a word's meaning is not enough (especially if you are using swear or slang words). Whatever its meaning, the word you used is considered to be the most offensive and taboo of swear words.

I dont know about the USA, but certainly in the UK it is socially unacceptable to use this word. It has completely different status to the other words you used as comparisons.

Quoting robyn :

in essex every other word from someone's mouth is c*unt so it depends on how you were raised and the usage in your area as to whether you take offence or not to, so it is usually easier to err on the side of caution.

Quoting aenigma x:

Quoting aenigma x:

Quoting Capoeira:

Quoting robyn :

in essex every other word from someone's mouth is c*unt so it depends on how you were raised and the usage in your area as to whether you take offence or not to, so it is usually easier to err on the side of caution.

Quoting robyn :

Quoting lady in red:

Quoting robyn : Quoting Capoeira: Quoting aenigma x: Quoting robyn : in essex every other word from someone's mouth is c*unt so it depends on how you were raised and the usage in your area as to whether you take offence or not to, so it is usually easier to err on the side of caution. Nice - another reason to avoid Essex! I'm curious as to how you're raising could make that word acceptable. It is common in rap videos for the men to refer to the women as B****, H* and other black people as N*****. However, if ANYbody including Snoop Dog walked up to me and called me that to my face I would be deeply offended. Just because the frequency of the word being used changes, does not mean that it has moved from its status of being rude, crude and socially acceptable! anotherwords if your parents did a bad job then you view it as acceptable

Quoting Trudy:

Quoting lady in red:

I thought the point of using an asterisk * was to avoid using the actual word or is it spelt differently in Essex?

Quoting robyn :

in essex every other word from someone's mouth is c*unt so it depends on how you were raised and the usage in your area as to whether you take offence or not to, so it is usually easier to err on the side of caution.

Quoting libralady:

Quoting robyn :

Quoting kai:

Quoting robyn : Quoting libralady: Quoting robyn : in essex every other word from someone's mouth is c*unt so it depends on how you were raised and the usage in your area as to whether you take offence or not to, so it is usually easier to err on the side of caution. Robyn, I just noticed this too, sorry but I had to laugh out loud, you are a gem girl!! hey i apologised people what more do you guys want?blood

Quoting catwoman:

Maybe this is cynical, but I'm convinced that Alltoohuman had a good understanding of the meaning of the word he used. His other posts show that he had a good grasp of the language, just take a look here fore example. People who don't have a good understanding of the language also don't argue that they're right despite being officially warned! He's just a sexist manipulator with a dirty mind who thinks that he's smart enough to get away with anything he wants to, despite continuously violating all boundaries.

Quoting aenigma x:

Hi Catwoman Just to clarify, the link you gave to the VERY long letter about me was a joke letter that was automatically generated by a website The things contained in the letter about "aenigma" were not actually about me (!) and were not written by AllTooHuman

Quoting catwoman:

Maybe this is cynical, but I'm convinced that Alltoohuman had a good understanding of the meaning of the word he used. His other posts show that he had a good grasp of the language, just take a look here for example. People who don't have a good understanding of the language also don't argue that they're right despite being officially warned! He's just a sexist manipulator with a dirty mind who thinks that he's smart enough to get away with anything he wants to, despite continuously violating all boundaries.

Quoting aenigma x:

Sometimes checking a dictionary for a word's meaning is not enough (especially if you are using swear or slang words).

Quoting aenigma x:

the word you used is considered to be the most offensive and taboo of swear words.

It has completely different status to the other words you used as comparisons.

Quoting Capoeira:

+1

Quoting Capoeira:

This is an issue for English as a Second Language speakers. Because, many vulgar words are used in movies and music lyrics they assume it is acceptable to use

Quoting Capoeira:

in conversations or a dialogue.

Quoting Capoeira:

There are VERY strict social/cultural rules

Quoting Quasimodo:

back again just for the purpose to use my right to reply and then I am about to go again. I am really sorry for inconvenience I have caused.

Quoting Quasimodo:

To understand some things, there is no need to be master of a language, in our case, of English. The fact that such swear words are used, at that frequently, in movies and lyrics, is the most evidence of wrongness of what you meant, for receivers/recipients of those movies and lyrics are but you yourselves (us ourselves). They cannot use second time something socially unacceptable in their works, since and as long as it is you, the people, who really find it unacceptable and who judge such movies and lyrics.

We all know the success of The Silence of the Lambs and by how many people it was watched. If "I can smell your c**t", for example, were really socially unacceptable, people hadn't watched it that much and even they hadn't used such sentence in the movie.

Yeah yeah! We all see how much strict those social/cultural rules are!

Quoting Quasimodo:

Yeah yeah! We all see how much strict those social/cultural rules are!

Quoting Quasimodo:

Now that you say, as a native British, "it is considered to be the most offensive and taboo of swear words, I have to believe you; I have to believe however the others, too, native like you, who regard the word in question "merely as informal but not vulgar slang" or who say "it is more closely related to the word 'bitch'." If you think your approach to the word is absolute and is shared by overwhelming majority; then why don't you warn those approaching to the word differently than you, not to write such so-called info for, for example, us whose second language is English. Maybe you would simply think they tell a lie about the use and meaning of the word?

Quoting aenigma x:

A useful exercise for insomniacs. Let us count the number of posts which criticise the culture of the UK or US and see how the natives of these countries take such criticism good humouredly - some even agreeing with the comments.

Now, lets look at the number of criticisms about Turkish culture. Very few.

Let's look at the reaction? Explosive!

Dont preach to me about intolerance!!!!!!!!!

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting aenigma x:

The UK are not a boss, just a wimpering puppy belonging to Bush. And I have criticised only one aspect of Turkish culture, as far as I am aware!!!

Quote:

A useful exercise for insomniacs. Let us count the number of posts which criticise the culture of the UK or US and see how the natives of these countries take such criticism good humouredly - some even agreeing with the comments.

Now, lets look at the number of criticisms about Turkish culture. Very few.

Let's look at the reaction? Explosive!

Dont preach to me about intolerance!!!!!!!!!

Quoting Quasimodo:

The fact that such swear words are used, at that frequently, in movies and lyrics, is the most evidence of wrongness of what you meant, for receivers/recipients of those movies and lyrics are but you yourselves (us ourselves).

Yeah yeah! We all see how much strict those social/cultural rules are!

Quoting vineyards:

How many sovereign countries do the US - UK duo attack per decade and how many more do they threaten to attack? Doesn't this knowledge alone make them the objects of such a criticism?

As a matter of fact, even much feared Cenghis Han could not possibly kill or cause the deaths of as many innocent people as the coalition did. Even in his heyday, Hitler could not pass a National Defense Doctrine containing phrases like : "even if the US government feels that a nation may pose a threat to the US in the future, the US government can resort to military intervention."

They say the total number of casualties has exceeded 1 million in Iraq alone. Remember Vietnam, remember Hiroshima and Nagasaki and try to feel some sympathy for the leaders of those two countries.

Let me ask you openly, how much sympathy would you feel for Turkey if the Turks got involved in not all but one of those crimes?


Nevertheless, I agree with you regarding Turks being intolerant to criticism. I wish we were a little bit more mature in our reactions and understanding of the worldly affairs although this goes for people other than Turkey as well.

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting vineyards:

Karekin when you are the prima donna you are under the limelight. The US and the UK are capable of much much more evil than Turkey.

How many sovereign countries do the US - UK duo attack per decade and how many more do they threaten to attack? Doesn't this knowledge alone make them the objects of such a criticism?

As a matter of fact, even much feared Cenghis Han could not possibly kill or cause the deaths of as many innocent people as the coalition did. Even in his heyday, Hitler could not pass a National Defense Doctrine containing phrases like : "even if the US government feels that a nation may pose a threat to the US in the future, the US government can resort to military intervention."

They say the total number of casualties has exceeded 1 million in Iraq alone. Remember Vietnam, remember Hiroshima and Nagasaki and try to feel some sympathy for the leaders of those two countries.

Let me ask you openly, how much sympathy would you feel for Turkey if the Turks got involved in not all but one of those crimes?


Nevertheless, I agree with you regarding Turks being intolerant to criticism. I wish we were a little bit more mature in our reactions and understanding of the worldly affairs although this goes for people other than Turkey as well.

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Quoting libralady:

Quoting libralady:

Quoting vineyards:

Libralady is right. No personal attack.
I used it exactly as she described. My use of the preposition there maybe wrong but there is nothing confusing in the meaning. So, cheer up...

By the way, even if that wasn't my intention what is wrong with being called a Prima Donna?

PS. In many of my postings I use "you" in a literal sense. It means "everyone" or "anyone" it is a habit transfered from my native tongue.

Quoting vineyards:

Libralady is right. No personal attack.
I used it exactly as she described. My use of the preposition there maybe wrong but there is nothing confusing in the meaning. So, cheer up...

By the way, even if that wasn't my intention what is wrong with being called a Prima Donna?

PS. In many of my postings I use 'you' in a literal sense. It means 'everyone' or 'anyone' it is a habit transfered from my native tongue.

Quoting vineyards:

Then sorry about the misunderstanding. For me, Prima Donna
refers to such great sopranos like Callas, Tebaldi, Fireni, Sutherland, Milanov etc. And I believe the uses you are referring to are vernacular variations. Prima Donna is originally Italian and everybody knows what it actually means.


I prefer to speak international English. I am not a native speaker of this language. So if by chance my choice of words is improper in some countries, I apoligize for the inconvenience. If I am making a mistake about the universal meaning of that word I would be indebted to you if you correct me.

Other than that I am not curious about local connotations. I use English to communicate. If I break someone's heart because of ill use of words, please at least consider the effort I have so far made to be understandable by you.

Quoting vineyards:

Then sorry about the misunderstanding. For me, Prima Donna
refers to such great sopranos like Callas, Tebaldi, Fireni, Sutherland, Milanov etc. And I believe the uses you are referring to are vernacular variations. Prima Donna is originally Italian and everybody knows what it actually means.


I prefer to speak international English. I am not a native speaker of this language. So if by chance my choice of words is improper in some countries, I apoligize for the inconvenience. If I am making a mistake about the universal meaning of that word I would be indebted to you if you correct me.

Other than that I am not curious about local connotations. I use English to communicate. If I break someone's heart because of ill use of words, please at least consider the effort I have so far made to be understandable by you.

Quoting aenigma x:

I am sorry you have taken my post offensively.

Quoting aenigma x:

Actually I was trying to defend you.

Quoting gezbelle:

if it is said, it's always used with the f-word in front of it.

Quoting catwoman:

do not by any means give you the right to act the same way

Quoting catwoman:

I mean you're trying to be sharp and catch the loopholes, no?

Quoting Capoeira:

What if Bill Gates starts making movies that depict buying Microsoft computers? Will that make it ok for you to go out and buy one or Window's Alta Vista now?

Quoting aenigma x:

Now, lets look at the number of criticisms about Turkish culture. Very few.

Let's look at the reaction? Explosive!

Dont preach to me about intolerance!!!!!!!!!

Quoting Quasimodo:

Quoting Quasimodo:

Quoting catwoman:

how's your new computer cyrano? at least I hope that it's a linux!

Quoting Quasimodo:

Quoting Capoeira:

Quoting Quasimodo: Quoting catwoman: how's your new computer cyrano? at least I hope that it's a linux! My new computer has never become, sadly, new. Each time I have had to upgrade a hardware of it. Whenever I am at the point of making it wholly new, a hardware of it surely goes either too old or breaks down. Regardless, I am very pleased to run Linux!

Quoting Capoeira:

Might all the 'i'm leaving' and then suddenly 'i'm back again' have something to do with the linux going down and then getting it running again. If you used windows maybe you wouldn't have to leave so frequently!

Quoting robyn :

Quoting Capoeira: Quoting Quasimodo: Quoting catwoman: how's your new computer cyrano? at least I hope that it's a linux! My new computer has never become, sadly, new. Each time I have had to upgrade a hardware of it. Whenever I am at the point of making it wholly new, a hardware of it surely goes either too old or breaks down. Regardless, I am very pleased to run Linux! Might all the 'i'm leaving' and then suddenly 'i'm back again' have something to do with the linux going down and then getting it running again. If you used windows maybe you wouldn't have to leave so frequently!

Quoting Quasimodo:

I am totally surrendered! Well done!

Quoting Capoeira:

Quoting Quasimodo:

Quoting robyn : Quoting Capoeira: Quoting Quasimodo: Quoting catwoman: how's your new computer cyrano? at least I hope that it's a linux! My new computer has never become, sadly, new. Each time I have had to upgrade a hardware of it. Whenever I am at the point of making it wholly new, a hardware of it surely goes either too old or breaks down. Regardless, I am very pleased to run Linux! Might all the 'i'm leaving' and then suddenly 'i'm back again' have something to do with the linux going down and then getting it running again. If you used windows maybe you wouldn't have to leave so frequently! Yes you are confusing your software maybe