What is the difference between gelecek and ertesi???

Are these all correct usage and translations:
Gelecek yıl
Next year

Gelecek gün
The next day

Gelecek yaz
Next summer

Ertesi yıl
Next year

Ertesi gün
The next day

Ertesi yaz
Next summer

As far as I understand it

Gelecek is best translated "next" and is in the future

Ertesi is best translated "the following" and can be in the past.

e.g. If I am telling a story about what happened to me last month, I can say the next day I did something (i.e. the day following the events I was just talking about). I would use ertesi.

If I am talking about next Wednesday (i.e. in the future from now) I would use gelecek.

Does this help?

Do native speakers agree?

Gelecek yıl
Next year.. correct

Gelecek gün
The next day.. not used in Turkish..The word is "yarin"

Gelecek yaz
Next summer.. correct

Ertesi yıl
Next year.. the year after some specific year

Ertesi gün
The next day.. the day after some specific day

Ertesi yaz
Next summer.. the summer after some specific summer

"ertesi ......" can be in the past or in the future.

example:
Okulu 1998 de bitirdim. Etesi yil calismaya basladim. (started working in 1999, the whole thing in the past)

Okulu 2009 da bitirecegim. Ertesi yil calismaya baslayacagim.(will start working in 2010, the whole thing is in future)

if you use one of these words before nouns such:

ay, yil, mevsim

-Ertesi yil or Gelecek yil
-Ertesi ay or Gelecek ay


They have no difference, both mean same.


Ertesi differs slighlty when you use "small time periods" such :

-aksam
-gun
-gece

here you cant say "Gelecek Aksam" or "Gelecek Gun"

all these words determining small time periods, must be used with "ertesi" .


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AND when you use a plural word, it goes well with
"GELECEK" not "ertesi".


"Ertesi Yillar" is wrong "Gelecek Yillar" is correct.

That is not correct.

if you are in year 2000 and tell your friend "gelecek yil Amerikaya gidecegim", he will understand that you are travelling in 2001.

under same conditions, if you tell him "ertesi yil Amerikaya gidecegim", he will not understand anything. You have to give him another reference point in future, so he can judge what you mean by "ërtesi".

What i said is still correct.

What you talk about is tense difference.Cause "ertesi" is much more like reference of any past time action.I did not say a word about tenses.


"Ertesi yil" cikan albumunde satis patlamasi yapmisti.
Album satislarimdan kazandigim parayi "gelecek yil" alacaktim.

As you see, both are possible with or without reference.

But i agree some points,
when you talk about future, "gelecek" is better.
when you talk about a refered past time, "ertesi" is better.

But both are still posible.

i didnt say "wrong" or "correct" . I said "better".

*** A small proof that your theory doesnt cover all ***
In any case , with reference or without reference, you cant say "Gelecek gece" or "Gelecek Gun" or "Gelecek Sabah" .However, "Ertesi Gece" , "Ertesi Gun" , "Ertesi Sabah" is always possible and correct.


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A scientific difference is also possible;

-bahar ayinda tomurcuklanan bitkiler, "ertesi yil" ciceklenirler. (Or- bir sonraki yil - )



When we talk about absolut facts, expected motions ,its nicer to use "ertesi".




Regards.

GELECEK AY ile ERTESI AY ayni olur mu?

GELECEK AY dersen bir sonraki ayi anlarlar. ERTESI AY dersen, neyin ertesi? diye sorarlar.

Bence konu seni asiyor...

Bakiniz AlphaF , eger iddaniz gercekten tum durumlari kapsiyor ise orneklerinizi "gun" ile de veriyor olmaniz gerek. Sayet bu durum istisna ise de belirtmeniz gerek.

Uzerinde nazikce durarak dikkatinizi cekmek istedigim husus sanirim anlasilmamis, o halde soyleyeyim :

Bahsettiginiz sey dogru degil. Fakat bununla inanin zerre ilgileniyor degilim, ilgi cekici de degil cunku.

Ben size nezaketli bir yoldan, -yanlis bir sey soylediginizi degil- benim soyledigim ile ilgisi olmayan bir sey soylediginizi belirttim.

Bu durumun anlasilmamis olmasinin bende yarattigi saskinligi anlatamam.



Yukarida yazdiklarimi okuyun, sayet Gelecek Ay ile Ertesi Ay'in ayni oldugunu soyledi isem ben ahlaksiz birisiyim ki, haddim olmayarak bilmedigim bir konu hakkinda soz sahibi olmak curretinde bulunmus olurum, bu halde sizden defalarca ozur dilerim, beni affedin.

Ama, sayet bunu soylemedi isem, o halde ahlaksiz olan siz olmus olursunuz ve bana -boyle bir hukuka cevaz almadiginiz halde- "sen" diye hitap edip, caresizce hakaret etmeye calistiginiz icin de kifayetsiz bir muhteris olmus olursunuz.

Umarim ilki dogrudur.




Saygilar

"Ertesi" seems relative, indeed. You have to point a time referance.

Gelecek ay Türkiye' ye gidiyorum.

Ertesi ay Türkiye' ye gidiyorum. (Makes no sense)

Eylül' de Bodrum' a gideceğim. Ertesi ay Alanya' ya geçmeyi düşÃ¼nüyorum. (Here ertesi ay is clear, Ekim.)

I think only GUN is exceptional. Because we already have a word "Yarin." So "Gelecek gün" and "Ertesi gün" is similar to each other in use.

But for,

Hafta
Ay
Yil

There's a clear difference between "Gelecek" and "Ertesi".

try "sabah" and "aksam" too.
we dont have any specific word for ertesi sabah or ertesi aksam.

Maybe its just luck that all exceptions are in small time periods list.

There is no use of "gelecek gun" as a synonim to "yarin". in the Turkish I speak.

"gelecek gunler"is a common idiom, losely referring to "days in future".

"ertesi gun" follows the same general rule, I tried to explain. If you want to talk about an "ërtesi gun", a reference event - one day in prior- must be mentioned.

Benim Turkcemde "gelecek sabah" diye bir sey yok. "Yarin sabah" var

Hey guys: Let's agree a truce!

TDK defines ertesi as:

Bir günün, bir haftanın, bir ayın, bir yılın ardından gelen (gün, hafta, ay, mevsim, yıl):
"Ertesi gün başladı gün doğmadan yolculuk, / Soğuk bir mart sabahı... Buz tutuyor her soluk."- F. N. Çamlıbel.

and gelecek as:

2 . sıfat Zaman bakımından ileride olması, gerçekleşmesi beklenen, müstakbel:
"Kız, gelecek baharda yine geleceklerini müjdeledi."- O. C. Kaygılı.

i.e. English: gelecek = next, ertesi = following

ertesi sabah diyeceksen, mutlaka bir evvelki sabaha referans yapman gerek...bu referans olmadan, ertesi sabahin zaman cizgisi uzerinde nerede oldugunu tarif etmek mumkun degil....

sana karisik gelecek ama, ille de "ërtesi gun" sozcuklerini kullanarak "yarin" kavramini ifade etmek istiyorsan -"bugunun ertesi gun" demen gerek....ana dili Turkce olanlarin kullanmadigi bir soylem ama, bir yabancidan duyarsan yarini kasdettigini anlamamak mumkun degil.

Peki. Ben herşeyi okumadım ama sadece Bod'a düşÃ¼ncelerimi bi söyleyeyim.

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Ertesi:
- a more specified notificiation of teh future in a line of happenings*, which can be used in both past time and future tense constructions. However, the main idea is that the thing FOLLOWİNG, is specified by a thing that happened before.

* It HAS to have a 'before'.

- One day I was very angry that my exam results still hadn't come. Ertesi gün, geldiler!-

- Ertesi gün means: the following day, the day after.


Gelecek:
- The word 'gelecek' is a sıfat-fiil, in which different 'ek'-s are brought to the verb-stem to give it the meaning of an adverb. Some of them, can be made to a noun again, GELECEK in the meaning of 'future' is one of them. GELECEK in the meaning of 'the next, the coming' is a sıfat-fiil.

Gel--> verb stem
Ecek -->sıfat fiil eki.

- Gelecek yıllarda çok seyahat etmek istiyorum.
-> In the coming years I want to travel a lot.

- Bize gelecek çocuk çok tatlıdır.
-> The kid that will come to us is very sweet.

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To give the difference between ERTESİ and GELECEK:

Gelecek yıl işimi bırakacağım. Ertesi yıl Türkiye'ye gitmek istiyorum.
- Next year I will quit my job. The year after I want to go to Turkey.

Cumartesi tatilim başlayacak. Ertesi gün İstanbul'a gidiyorum.
Saturday my holiday will start. The day after that Im going to İstanbul.

Dün tatilim başladı. Gelecek hafta/Haftaya İzmir'e gideceğim.
Yesterday my holiday started. Next week I will go to İzmir.

Gelecek hafta - Next week, the week to come.
Ertesi hafta - The week after, the following week.


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I hoped these examples were clear. I also hope someone will correct me where I am wrong Cos I assume not all my Turkish sentences are correct.

Marion, ERTESI GUN means THE FOLLOWING DAY...On its own, it does not mean TOMORROW..

It is a meaningless expression, unless you clarify exactly which spesific previous day your ERTESI GUN is following.

that is my best effort....no more from me

Bod

I keep saying it: for a native speaker in English:

GELECEK = next
ERTESİ = following.

These ARE different in English - a native speaker will know the difference and it is the same as the difference the Turks have been arguing about on Ertesi and Gelecek.

If you say "the following", you have to have previously referred to the event that it follows.

I agree with everyone who says Ertesi gün etc must say which day it follows. e.g. Last month I went to the doctor. The following day I felt better (i.e. the day after I went to the doctor). You would use ERTESİ here in Turkish.


Last week I was sick. Next week I have to play basketball. You would use GELECEK here.

All Deli Kızı's examples are good and useful.

I think Marion understands the logic of Turkish very well

Thank you inciska,

I think I shall have to lock you up in the refrigerator for a while...

That should teach you that the old and bearded men also like being complimented...

A lesson on how to make Turkish very confusing :-S See above

So, who else wants time in the refrigerator? (see above)

AlphaF I thought u were a Turk
But still a refridgrator would do good, itz so hot these days

I let them back out, once they serve their time...)))))))))))