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informal thoughts on Turkish Class
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27 Sep 2007 Thu 07:49 pm |
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Catwoman take your time and write a few more paragraphs to explain your opinion. All you are saying is yes it is true; no it's not right.
Here is my answer: no, you are wrong...
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27 Sep 2007 Thu 07:50 pm |
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Quoting teaschip1:
My only comment of course is to reference Bush in the same context as Hitler and Stalin. Just thought it was a little extreme. Bye the way, I'm also not an advocate of Bush... |
its very fashionable today to talk rubbish on bush  most of people think if they dont criticise bushes they fall out of societies. the more you throw up on bush the more applauses you gain. very simple.
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27 Sep 2007 Thu 07:54 pm |
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Quoting vineyards: Catwoman take your time and write a few more paragraphs to explain your opinion. All you are saying is yes it is true; no it's not right.
Here is my answer: no, you are wrong... |
You are contradicting yourself now though because you said earlier that it's a matter of personal opinions, so how can you tell me that I'm wrong????
And I was thinking that we are here to have a reason-based dialogue not to decide who's wrong.. 
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27 Sep 2007 Thu 07:55 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting teaschip1:
My only comment of course is to reference Bush in the same context as Hitler and Stalin. Just thought it was a little extreme. Bye the way, I'm also not an advocate of Bush... |
its very fashionable today to talk rubbish on bush most of people think if they dont criticise bushes they fall out of societies. the more you throw up on bush the more applauses you gain. very simple. |
btw, you dont dare compare ataturk to those! im pretty sure you know the consequences 
they can speak whatever on the subject of western leaders, and if you try to defend them, you are f...ing stupid dumbass american or westerner
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27 Sep 2007 Thu 07:58 pm |
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Yes, I agree. If you're adding milder nationalists you should definitely add Ataturk before Bush. |
Yes, after reading this I should be mad at you and flame you because I consider Ataturk as a national hero and you are adding it on the same list with Stalin, Hitler and Bush.
Sorry, I thought and decided I am not that cheap.
I made a number of very serious accusations to you. You did not want to answer them and now looking to have a chance to get even.
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27 Sep 2007 Thu 08:04 pm |
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Quoting vineyards: Yes, after reading this I should be mad at you and flame you because I consider Ataturk as a national hero and you are adding it on the same list with Stalin, Hitler and Bush.
Sorry, I thought and decided I am not that cheap.
I made a number of very serious accusations to you. You did not want to answer them and now looking to have a chance to get even. |
Vineyards, as opposed to you, I'm not here to fight with you. I also consider Ataturk a national hero as well as one of the greatest leaders that ever existed. That doesn't mean that he wasn't a nationalist. I understand why he began the nationalism in Turkey, but I think that Turkish people didn't carry on with Ataturk's ideas and are stagnated in a way. I'm sure that if Ataturk was alive now, he'd curb the nationalism and begin a more open-minded movement.
And by the way, Bush should NOT be compared to Hitler or Stalin either!!!
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27 Sep 2007 Thu 08:06 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting vineyards: Catwoman take your time and write a few more paragraphs to explain your opinion. All you are saying is yes it is true; no it's not right.
Here is my answer: no, you are wrong... |
You are contradicting yourself now though because you said earlier that it's a matter of personal opinions, so how can you tell me that I'm wrong????
And I was thinking that we are here to have a reason-based dialogue not to decide who's wrong.. |
If we are not here to find out who is right or wrong don't say you are wrong twice in your previous message. When I said you are wrong I wanted to accentuate this point. We shouldn't say you are wrong or right we should take the time and explain our own points instead. Your contradictions are plenty.
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27 Sep 2007 Thu 08:10 pm |
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Quoting vineyards: If we are not here to find out who is right or wrong don't say you are wrong twice in your previous message. When I said you are wrong I wanted to accentuate this point. We shouldn't say you are wrong or right we should take the time and explain our own points instead. Your contradictions are plenty. |
I actually did explain my points, long-essays are not necessary for that.
I never said that "you are wrong", unlike you, even though I totally don't agree with you.
Vineyards, can we start using the same logic?
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27 Sep 2007 Thu 08:17 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting teaschip1:
My only comment of course is to reference Bush in the same context as Hitler and Stalin. Just thought it was a little extreme. Bye the way, I'm also not an advocate of Bush... |
its very fashionable today to talk rubbish on bush most of people think if they dont criticise bushes they fall out of societies. the more you throw up on bush the more applauses you gain. very simple. |
btw, you dont dare compare ataturk to those! im pretty sure you know the consequences
they can speak whatever on the subject of western leaders, and if you try to defend them, you are f...ing stupid dumbass american or westerner |
Femme_fatal, you know so many slang words I am sure. I suggest that you shouldn't put them on display here. After all, the only way for us to learn about you is through your own words. I have a few Kazakh friends here who are Muslims, who are much more oriental than I am. None of them are as western as you are. Did you just drop your Kazakh identity dear and now are you ridiculing the ways of Turks. You should remember the situation in your country. They are fighting for the bread money. Your workers are fighting with foreign workers because in your country Kazakh workers are underpaid and mistreated. You are free to just not to care all that much about the Kazakh feelings about the West but if you want to deal with patriotism then there is always your own country going through graver problems. What is your problem with Turkey?
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27 Sep 2007 Thu 08:22 pm |
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Quoting vineyards: You are free to just not to care all that much about the Kazakh feelings about the West but if you want to deal with patriotism then there is always your own country going through graver problems. What is your problem with Turkey? |
Vineyards, sorry to jump in to your conversation with femme, but I think you grossly misunderstood something about her. She's not specifically critical of Turkey, but of certain mentality of all eastern AND western (!) nations, so don't take it personally!
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27 Sep 2007 Thu 08:29 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting vineyards: If we are not here to find out who is right or wrong don't say you are wrong twice in your previous message. When I said you are wrong I wanted to accentuate this point. We shouldn't say you are wrong or right we should take the time and explain our own points instead. Your contradictions are plenty. |
I actually did explain my points, long-essays are not necessary for that.
I never said that "you are wrong", unlike you, even though I totally don't agree with you.
Vineyards, can we start using the same logic? |
Catwoman, being an electronic device designer and a professional programmer I feel, I am both very logical and quite good at different kinds of logic. Otherwise I would be bankrupt by now.
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