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140.       justinetime
1018 posts
 14 Nov 2007 Wed 06:00 pm

Quoting Elisabeth:

I don't equate chasity with honor, love or morality and it is definately not an indicator of a sucessful marriage. I can personally attest to that. I don't think it is a good idea to hop into bed with just anyone but doing so does not make you a bad person and mean that you are doomed to a bad marriage or relationship.

i'm sorry if that rubbed you the wrong way... i was just using a random example, and wasn't referring to you. i do agree on the part that it is not wise to jump into bed with anybody...

141.       teaschip
3870 posts
 14 Nov 2007 Wed 06:02 pm

Quoting Elisabeth:

I don't equate chasity with honor, love or morality and it is definately not an indicator of a sucessful marriage. I can personally attest to that. I don't think it is a good idea to hop into bed with just anyone but doing so does not make you a bad person and mean that you are doomed to a bad marriage or relationship.



I agree with you Elisabeth. Even though it is against my religion, but heck that's what confession is for.
Temptation was never a strong point for me.

I don't believe you should just hop in bed with anyone, however if you are in a committed relationship with someone I don't believe it makes you a terrible person either. I also happen to respect people who wait until they get married. It has to be a personal decision that you make that works for you. I don't believe there is a wrong or right to this.

142.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 14 Nov 2007 Wed 06:03 pm

Quoting justinetime:

Quoting Elisabeth:

I don't equate chasity with honor, love or morality and it is definately not an indicator of a sucessful marriage. I can personally attest to that. I don't think it is a good idea to hop into bed with just anyone but doing so does not make you a bad person and mean that you are doomed to a bad marriage or relationship.

i'm sorry if that rubbed you the wrong way... i was just using a random example, and wasn't referring to you. i do agree on the part that it is not wise to jump into bed with anybody...



Don't be silly. I know you were making a general statement....mine was also just a general statement. I was just thinking that many people believe that it is an instant recipe for a successful marriage, but it is not and can actually ruin a marriage if your are not compatable in that way.

143.       MrX67
2540 posts
 14 Nov 2007 Wed 06:06 pm

Quoting Elisabeth:

Quoting justinetime:

Quoting Elisabeth:

I don't equate chasity with honor, love or morality and it is definately not an indicator of a sucessful marriage. I can personally attest to that. I don't think it is a good idea to hop into bed with just anyone but doing so does not make you a bad person and mean that you are doomed to a bad marriage or relationship.

i'm sorry if that rubbed you the wrong way... i was just using a random example, and wasn't referring to you. i do agree on the part that it is not wise to jump into bed with anybody...



Don't be silly. I know you were making a general statement....mine was also just a general statement. I was just thinking that many people believe that it is an instant recipe for a successful marriage, but it is not and can actually ruin a marriage if your are not compatable in that way.

i think you talking about ''true love'' when you mentoining marriage?

144.       lada
15 posts
 14 Nov 2007 Wed 06:13 pm

Quoting ciko:

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting ciko:

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting ciko:

the reason they dont open their legs easily is that they are just afraid of their families and traditions. if the traditions let them have sex before marriage i am sure they would do it much more easily than western girls.


i dont support sex before marriage.



are you serious ?


100% serious



but why?:S what is the point of staying virgin before marriage? why you should not make love with your lover when your body craves his or her body? i just cant understand


me either ciko if ppl in this world get themselves laid,there would be peace!
turkish women are never horney or having a desire,just like arab women,they weare belt of virginity!c mon ppl..even if you are raised to keep your virginity untill marriage you still make love with the one you love and when marriage comes there is so manny ways to prove your virginity to your hubby
i was travelling a lot to eastern countries and countries of balkan where is the same situation about virginity,and what i have heard,when i was talking with young women..i was shocked!
anyway why the hell is virginity so important,i ll never understand!
one life,let it be pleasure then

145.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 14 Nov 2007 Wed 06:20 pm

Quote:

Quote:



but why?:S what is the point of staying virgin before marriage? why you should not make love with your lover when your body craves his or her body? i just cant understand


me either ciko if ppl in this world get themselves laid,there would be peace!
turkish women are never horney or having a desire,just like arab women,they weare belt of virginity!c mon ppl..even if you are raised to keep your virginity untill marriage you still make love with the one you love and when marriage comes there is so manny ways to prove your virginity to your hubby
i was travelling a lot to eastern countries and countries of balkan where is the same situation about virginity,and what i have heard,when i was talking with young women..i was shocked!
anyway why the hell is virginity so important,i ll never understand!
one life,let it be pleasure then



I think a certain amount of restraint is necessary, lada. I think that virginity is important but should only be the business of the woman, not her family or village..ect...What I don't like is when women are made to feel like they are immoral because they are having sex with someone that they are in a committed relationship with.

146.       teaschip
3870 posts
 14 Nov 2007 Wed 06:28 pm

Quote:

Quote:

Quoting Elisabeth:



but why?:S what is the point of staying virgin before marriage? why you should not make love with your lover when your body craves his or her body? i just cant understand


me either ciko if ppl in this world get themselves laid,there would be peace!
turkish women are never horney or having a desire,just like arab women,they weare belt of virginity!c mon ppl..even if you are raised to keep your virginity untill marriage you still make love with the one you love and when marriage comes there is so manny ways to prove your virginity to your hubby
i was travelling a lot to eastern countries and countries of balkan where is the same situation about virginity,and what i have heard,when i was talking with young women..i was shocked!
anyway why the hell is virginity so important,i ll never understand!
one life,let it be pleasure then



I think a certain amount of restraint is necessary, lada. I think that virginity is important but should only be the business of the woman, not her family or village..ect...What I don't like is when women are made to feel like they are immoral because they are having sex with someone that they are in a committed relationship with.



Dont forget living in sin..When you decide to shack up with a man before marriage.. Back in my parents, grandparents this was considered immoral. In fact the girls who lost their virginity before marriage were considered sluts. But now were in a new era and I believe it's more commonly accepted.

147.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 14 Nov 2007 Wed 06:34 pm

Quote:


Dont forget living in sin..When you decide to shack up with a man before marriage.. Back in my parents, grandparents this was considered immoral. In fact the girls who lost their virginity before marriage were considered sluts. But now were in a new era and I believe it's more commonly accepted.



I don't understand living together before marriage...I like the element of surprise! That would just take the mystery out of the first few months of marriage. lol But you are right, I remember when my brother moved in with his gf years ago...very scandalous! Had the whole family talking for days. As soon as we realized that he would not get struck by lightening.....the talking stopped! lol

148.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 14 Nov 2007 Wed 06:42 pm

oh
i dont worship virginity, and i dont demand it from anyone, and i dont consider it above all.
its just my strict moral values, that i dont support loose sex with no a confirmation like marriage.
everyone free, and im free to tell that im against that.
having said that, i will raise my children telling them that its important to be responsible for what you do, because there are always the consequences esp in case of sex. they will have to learn to control their feelings and emotions.

149.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 14 Nov 2007 Wed 06:44 pm

Quoting femme_fatal:

oh
i dont worship virginity, and i dont demand it from anyone, and i dont consider it above all.
its just my strict moral values, that i dont support loose sex with no a confirmation like marriage.
everyone free, and im free to tell that im against that.
having said that, i will raise my children telling them that its important to be responsible for what you do, because there are always the consequences esp in case of sex. they will have to learn to control their feelings and emotions.



Nicely said...and I mostly agree. I tell my son the same thing.

150.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 14 Nov 2007 Wed 06:51 pm

Some of you really shock me!!!! Having sex before marriage does not equate with loose morals! I would not recommend marrying as a virgin to anyone!

Sexual chemistry is as important between two people as love. Its possible to have one without the other. I would never take the risk of marrying someone I loved but had not had sex with! The "joy of discovery" on your wedding night may not be what you dreamed! lol

With regard to marriage, if you are religious then fine. If you are not, then there is absolutely nothing wrong with living together (some of you use the word "shacked up" or "living in sin" as a as if you are from the 1950s!!!). I know many people who chose not to marry years ago and have far more loyal and committed relationships than married people. In addition, I hate the underlying "ownership" which marriage brings (on both sides).

Do you want to put someone in a cage and hope they stay inside or do you want to keep them free and always know they choose to be with you

There is, of course, an added advantage. You never become a "wife"

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