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AN IMPORTANT NIGHT
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12 Dec 2007 Wed 12:32 am |
Tonight is an important night for many families and many young ladies in Turkey. Thousands of new recruits, young boys around the age of 20, will join their units for their military service tomorrow morning. In the small town that I am curently in, the streets are as if it is a festivity. Big drums and clarinets are being played and people are chanting and dancing in the cold, saying good-bye to their sons.
I know there are some young non-Turkish ladies, in this group, sharing this night of excitement with us Turks.
I hope the boys will go, then come safely back....with full honors !
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12 Dec 2007 Wed 12:39 am |
rite of passage?tribal feast????
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12 Dec 2007 Wed 12:56 am |
I thought this was supposed to be only four times a year but loads of recruits were sent off in early November, and I also saw it at a bus station a few weeks after that. Cars driving around town honking the horns like at other parties. The bus station was crowded with families saying goodbye, the young to-be soldiers with turkish flags wrapped around them, being tossed up in the air, everyone yelling out the current slogan "şehitler ölmez vatan bölünmez".
And then when they go to army they find out they are in for 15 months in hell. One of the newbies at the karakol my husband is at shot himself a few days ago. The other soldiers were then later shown pictures of the rest of his head. Ya şu türk askerlik var ya... he should never have gone there, not everyone is cut out for it, no matter how much they are cheered on with army slogans.
May they all come home safely...but they don't, unfortunately.
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12 Dec 2007 Wed 01:14 am |
that may be true from your husband's point of view...but not from ours, Azade...better watch your language.
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12 Dec 2007 Wed 01:33 am |
I'm not saying anything out of the box here, this is facts. I'm sorry that it is so, but it is. The young man killed himself because soldier life was too hard for him. It's the third, THIRD my husband has witnessed in just 13 months. I think it's devastating; can this be right??
It is really hard to go through army service in Turkey (unless you're lucky and go to a nice place), and certaintly the young men should be prepared better for it. filling them with slogans is no help, because şehitler DO die. They shouldn't be fed with illusions because reality is cruel, terrorists may be lurking around the corner. it's no business for newbies. IMHO.
Why is it that millions and millions of young men are forced - read forced - to go risk their lives? It's should be for professionals, not young kids.
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12 Dec 2007 Wed 01:40 am |
Look, I served in this army and my son served in this army - partly because we felt it was our responsibility to protect you and your husband's sisters.
It is not on to chicken out and cry in complaints, when it is his turn to serve. It is his own honor, do you think Turkish Army desparately needs his services?
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12 Dec 2007 Wed 01:44 am |
Quoting azade: ......... It's should be for professionals, not young kids. |
I used to think like you Azde, but when you limit it to professionals, you get mercenaries and professionals like
Blackwater
Private Warriors
When it's citizens, they have an investment in the outcome in the society they live. They fight for their own town, family, country.
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12 Dec 2007 Wed 02:00 am |
Quoting AlphaF: Look, I served in this army and my son served in this army - partly because we felt it was our responsibility to protect you and your husband's sisters.
It is not on to chicken out and cry in complaints, when it is his turn to serve. It is his own honor, do you think Turkish Army desparately needs his services?
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No I don't think so, because Turkey is one of the only countries with this kind of atmosphere around the army. for yurtsevers that is. I think they would do much better with some professional soldiers that could take out the terrorists and then there would be no need for this huge army. I know about the whole "when you served your duty you're a man" atmosphere but I don't believe in it. Over the past couple of years I have spoken to hundreds of young men who either talked about it with dread, or anticipated it in fear. it took them years to talk about it like an every day topic. Almost all men go to army in Turkey, but not all are fit. What do city boys know about killing terrorists in the mountains? What about all those who simply can't handle it psychologically? Nobody cares about them. Go to army! Be a man! Die if you must!
çok şÃ¼kür my husband is from the mountains it's not so hard on him as many of his fellow soldiers. çok şÃ¼kür he's finished in a couple of months
Just because something was doesn't mean it has to be.
I have respect for everybody who served in the army and I will probably never stop making dua for those who are still serving.
When you see all soffins with fallen soldiers on tv, tell me, what have they died for? They were rookies, they stood no chance in the face of the terrorists to whom the mountsins are a playground. It's business for professional soldiers who actually have the skills and morale to do the job once and for all.
Ve, meraktan soruyorum, siz askerlik nerede yaptiniz acaba?
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12 Dec 2007 Wed 02:03 am |
I strongly doubt if her interest is in the society she, or her family, are living in...
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12 Dec 2007 Wed 02:07 am |
Quoting alameda: Quoting azade: ......... It's should be for professionals, not young kids. |
I used to think like you Azde, but when you limit it to professionals, you get mercenaries and professionals like
Blackwater
Private Warriors
When it's citizens, they have an investment in the outcome in the society they live. They fight for their own town, family, country. |
Morale is very important, yes. But in my experience loads of the young soldiers don't have it, and the regions in which they fight are so severe they are no match for the terrorists. i think for those who feel like that, the very restricted life they live is part of the reason. They'd have more freedom in prison, or so I've been told. Many of the ongoing operations are done by professional soldiers, though, and they seem to been pretty successful.
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