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AN IMPORTANT NIGHT
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12 Dec 2007 Wed 02:07 am |
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Quoting alameda: Quoting azade: ......... It's should be for professionals, not young kids. |
I used to think like you Azde, but when you limit it to professionals, you get mercenaries and professionals like
Blackwater
Private Warriors
When it's citizens, they have an investment in the outcome in the society they live. They fight for their own town, family, country. |
Morale is very important, yes. But in my experience loads of the young soldiers don't have it, and the regions in which they fight are so severe they are no match for the terrorists. i think for those who feel like that, the very restricted life they live is part of the reason. They'd have more freedom in prison, or so I've been told. Many of the ongoing operations are done by professional soldiers, though, and they seem to been pretty successful.
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12 Dec 2007 Wed 02:08 am |
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Quoting AlphaF: I strongly doubt if her interest is in the society she, or her family, are living in... |
Sorry? I don't understand.
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12 Dec 2007 Wed 02:12 am |
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Quoting azade: Quoting AlphaF: Look, I served in this army and my son served in this army - partly because we felt it was our responsibility to protect you and your husband's sisters.
It is not on to chicken out and cry in complaints, when it is his turn to serve. It is his own honor, do you think Turkish Army desparately needs his services?
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No I don't think so, because Turkey is one of the only countries with this kind of atmosphere around the army. for yurtsevers that is. I think they would do much better with some professional soldiers that could take out the terrorists and then there would be no need for this huge army. I know about the whole "when you served your duty you're a man" atmosphere but I don't believe in it. Over the past couple of years I have spoken to hundreds of young men who either talked about it with dread, or anticipated it in fear. it took them years to talk about it like an every day topic. Almost all men go to army in Turkey, but not all are fit. What do city boys know about killing terrorists in the mountains? What about all those who simply can't handle it psychologically? Nobody cares about them. Go to army! Be a man! Die if you must!
çok şÃ¼kür my husband is from the mountains it's not so hard on him as many of his fellow soldiers. çok şÃ¼kür he's finished in a couple of months 
Just because something was doesn't mean it has to be.
I have respect for everybody who served in the army and I will probably never stop making dua for those who are still serving.
When you see all soffins with fallen soldiers on tv, tell me, what have they died for? They were rookies, they stood no chance in the face of the terrorists to whom the mountsins are a playground. It's business for professional soldiers who actually have the skills and morale to do the job once and for all.
Ve, meraktan soruyorum, siz askerlik nerede yaptiniz acaba? |
+ 1.000.000 (as a man who have been in the army!)
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12 Dec 2007 Wed 02:21 am |
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Quoting azade: Quoting AlphaF: I strongly doubt if her interest is in the society she, or her family, are living in... |
Sorry? I don't understand. |
The way you speak is distinctly familiar...But I do not wish to spell it out here...
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12 Dec 2007 Wed 02:25 am |
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Quoting AlphaF: Quoting azade: Quoting AlphaF: I strongly doubt if her interest is in the society she, or her family, are living in... |
Sorry? I don't understand. |
The way you speak is distinctly familiar...But I do not wish to spell it out here... |
Okay. There's only one thing I can guess you are hinting about but I don't know for sure. But if you are hinting about the thing I suspect you are, then it is not the case. Far from. But I don't know what is is that you are hinting so pm me if you are hinting about something that is not allowed to be written here.
Myself, I considder me being pretty modern on this topic. Loads and loads of other countries have changed tactics when it comes to type of army. Why doesn't Turkey? It would be a hell of a lot better for the economy too.
But I can only say the same. Old type of wars finished with WWI there's no need for big armies anymore but professional ones. And the army doesn't make a man.
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12 Dec 2007 Wed 02:29 am |
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I think you and me understand each other very well..good luck to you!
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12 Dec 2007 Wed 02:32 am |
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Good luck to you too. If you have any beloved ones in the army, may they return in full health inşallah 
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12 Dec 2007 Wed 02:40 am |
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Quoting azade:
Okay. There's only one thing I can guess you are hinting about but I don't know for sure. But if you are hinting about the thing I suspect you are, then it is not the case. Far from. But I don't know what is is that you are hinting so pm me if you are hinting about something that is not allowed to be written here.
Myself, I considder me being pretty modern on this topic. Loads and loads of other countries have changed tactics when it comes to type of army. Why doesn't Turkey? It would be a hell of a lot better for the economy too.
But I can only say the same. Old type of wars finished with WWI there's no need for big armies anymore but professional ones. And the army doesn't make a man. |
Harika writing Azade!!
Well done!! 
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12 Dec 2007 Wed 02:52 am |
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12 Dec 2007 Wed 02:59 am |
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There is running around calling himself a man, and then there is carriying the heart of a "delikanli". You would not know the difference.
As far as I am concerned, Azade is 10 times the delikanli you are.
"Delikanli" is a person, not necessarily a man, who carries a brave, sincere and honest heart.
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12 Dec 2007 Wed 03:16 am |
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Well..
All I said was to approve what Azade said actually (I did not write any single word at all.. How bizarre!!)..
Azade thinks that Turkey needs a professional army.
Are there anybody STILL think that Turkey does not need a professional army?
Azade did not want our young boys to become an easy target in fights and die.
Do we really want our young boys to become an easy target and die?
And about being a man and being a 'delikanli'. Well, it is a bit 'up close and personal' to be honest. Very bizaare
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