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AN IMPORTANT NIGHT
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12 Dec 2007 Wed 07:21 pm |
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Actually as much as I hate war and all it entails, if there is a military,I think the military draft is a good thing.
My reason for this is because it involves the whole citizenry in any military project.
I've seen the change in the US since we have abolished the draft. Now it's only a certain segment of society who are actually involved.
When ALL the citizens are involved in the defense of the country, the citizens are more aware and involved.
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12 Dec 2007 Wed 07:25 pm |
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Quoting KeithL: I am pro mandatory military service. 18 months.
Bush would have never had public support to enter Irak with the military including the sons of congressman.
Also, the two most important wars on the 20th centrury were won with a drafted army, WWI and WWII.
Many if not most european nations require a minimum military service.
So many kids finish high school with no clue what to do with their lives. Two years of maturity in service would give us better members of society. Exposing the best of the best to the military will only give us a stronger and better military...
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Agreed but mostly because it involves everyone in any military campaign.
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12 Dec 2007 Wed 07:34 pm |
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Quoting alameda: Agreed but mostly because it involves everyone in any military campaign. |
Why is it such a good thing Alameda??? Why should everybody be involved in a MILITARY campaign??? What if you hate wars? What if you don't agree with your country's policies? Why do you still have to be involved in it despite your will and conviction? I believe that you and the government have NO RIGHT to force people to go to the military and learn how to shoot other people, be brainwashed with sick nationalistic propaganda and ultimately put their lives on the line because of their government's policies! There don't have to be wars any more, but if there are individuals who are ok with going to military and voluntarily choose to do so, then it's ok.
I find it very funny when I see men defending military, it makes me think of the women who defend pornography. It's clearly against them, destroys them... yet they support it! Hahaha, the amazing power of brainwashing! 
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12 Dec 2007 Wed 08:05 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal: its a total bullshit that boys become "men" in the army, your men can also become "men" as well in prisons.
the army in my country is also a cruel place for many boys at 17, just in my tiny village of 300 houses, 1 committed suicide, 1 returned home as a mental and physical invalid totally incapable to live a normal life, another nextdoor boy returned mental (who was a such great boy with a super sense of humor who graduated school with excellent grades) today is someone strange and insane.
the army must voluteery and professional, for some who feel its their menlike place. |
Hmmmm then I take my comments back about military service being ok if they do not see active service. I could only judge by the comments from men who used to have to do national service in the UK - I never heard any negative comments. From what you have said, even the training can be hell 
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12 Dec 2007 Wed 08:55 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: ...Why is it such a good thing Alameda??? Why should everybody be involved in a MILITARY campaign??? What if you hate wars? What if you don't agree with your country's policies? Why do you still have to be involved in it despite your will and conviction? I believe that you and the government have NO RIGHT to force people to go to the military and learn how to shoot other people, be brainwashed with sick nationalistic propaganda and ultimately put their lives on the line because of their government's policies! There don't have to be wars any more, but if there are individuals who are ok with going to military and voluntarily choose to do so, then it's ok.
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Because it is just more outsourcing, more specialization, more power to the specialists who do not have a real interest in the events.
I suggest you read this:
Bring Back the Draft
If you don't agree with the program, you can apply for conscientious objector status.
CONSCIENTIOUS OBJECTION AND ALTERNATIVE SERVICE
In the past I was for the abolition of the draft, in the years since, seeing the monster that has grown in it's place, Now I am again for the draft. I think it's important that those who have a real stake in the outcome be involved in the process, not those whose profession is bound up with conflict.
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12 Dec 2007 Wed 09:20 pm |
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I don't need to read some article on why the draft is good for the nation. I saw what the draft did to my Uncle Denny in Vietnam. He was only 18 years old and had his whole life to live. He didn't want to serve, but most men at that time had no other alternatives unless they were married with several kids and even those criteria didn't hold up at times. He didn't run off and hide in Canada like many others did, he was loyal to his country so he did his time. Unfortunately, his time was short lived as he stepped on a land mine and needless to say was blown up.
I remember my grandmother telling me about the day, that two military men arrived at her house. She had two sons in the military at the time and knew it was horrible news, but didn't know which son had died. They rang her door bell and delivered the news to her. She had never forgot that moment which stayed with her until the day she died.
Was he a hero? Was he honorable for serving his country? Was he slighted by his own government and his freedom of choice taken away for the greater cause?
Why does a government even have a judical system for criminals, if it enables and dictates the killings of others by having a draft. As long as we the government enforce you to kill, it's not a crime. My uncle had no choice but to kill and was mandated to do this by my government. He was only 18 years old and had his entire life to live, yes some will say he sacraficed his to make this a better country.
But my hope in my lifetime is to never go through this with my children, grandchildren. I can't imagine what other families feel in Turkey and other countries who mandate military service. Those poor children with no say...
I respect anyone who voluntarily enlists and serves by their OWN choice and freedom. And as you know by now, I support our troops wholeheartedly.
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12 Dec 2007 Wed 09:22 pm |
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Quoting alameda: I think it's important that those who have a real stake in the outcome be involved in the process, not those whose profession is bound up with conflict. |
But then EVERYBODY would HAVE to be involved, not just those who "have a stake at the outcome". And those who do have a stake, can always join now! This kind of system respects the individuals as opposed to a big machinery where individuals serve the purposes of the government.
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12 Dec 2007 Wed 09:36 pm |
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Hi is this happening in parts of Turkey or isolated places? Not heard about this. Thought the next recruitment would be in Feb 07.
Sorry not sure how this National Service works over in Turkey. My other half due to join, but doesn't really talk about it other than he is joining next year.
Would be good to understand abit more if possible. Sorry to be naive.
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12 Dec 2007 Wed 09:46 pm |
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Quoting alameda:
When ALL the citizens are involved in the defense of the country, the citizens are more aware and involved. |
as a citizen you also should have joined the army and tasted it in real. so that you could be aware and involved.
so far you know nothing of other countries compulsory army services. maybe they should start serving their military duties since their childhood to be more involved in the military life of their countries. maybe we should take after guerrilas that kidnap and recruit little children? you sure know how deeply they are aware and involved!
alameda, you make my blood boil when you speak such rubbish.
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12 Dec 2007 Wed 10:02 pm |
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National service is important. It is difficult for any of us to understand the fears in a soldiers mind before he has to face the risks he is about to take. Support him keep in touch as much as you can.
I think the hardest part of the millitary is to be a millitary spouse/gf
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12 Dec 2007 Wed 10:35 pm |
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Quoting zettea: It is difficult for any of us to understand the fears in a soldiers mind before he has to face the risks he is about to take. |
Therefore, they shouldn't be FORCED to do it!!!   Geeeeeeezzzzzzz, can't believe how nationalistic and militant you are!!!
Another great thing about not having a huge army and ALL men of the country brainwashed a nationalistic crap is that it forces the government to be more peaceful! What does it say about human species that not only we separate ourselves into groups but also learn early on how to kill other people and that it's an acceptable way of solving problems! 
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