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AN IMPORTANT NIGHT
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12 Dec 2007 Wed 10:35 pm |
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Quoting zettea: It is difficult for any of us to understand the fears in a soldiers mind before he has to face the risks he is about to take. |
Therefore, they shouldn't be FORCED to do it!!!   Geeeeeeezzzzzzz, can't believe how nationalistic and militant you are!!!
Another great thing about not having a huge army and ALL men of the country brainwashed a nationalistic crap is that it forces the government to be more peaceful! What does it say about human species that not only we separate ourselves into groups but also learn early on how to kill other people and that it's an acceptable way of solving problems! 
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13 Dec 2007 Thu 01:27 am |
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catwoman and femme we actually agree on something  Clever words.
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13 Dec 2007 Thu 02:25 am |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting zettea: It is difficult for any of us to understand the fears in a soldiers mind before he has to face the risks he is about to take. |
Therefore, they shouldn't be FORCED to do it!!! Geeeeeeezzzzzzz, can't believe how nationalistic and militant you are!!!
Another great thing about not having a huge army and ALL men of the country brainwashed a nationalistic crap is that it forces the government to be more peaceful! What does it say about human species that not only we separate ourselves into groups but also learn early on how to kill other people and that it's an acceptable way of solving problems! |
It has nothing to do with militarizm or nationalism..It has more to do with being a citizen and the equality between citizens.
Nobody wants war, yet it is a fact of life....If your army is not deterent, some idiot from the other side of the Ocean or from some miserable island that will hopefully be flooded very soon, will bring your country "democracy". They have their professional killers, nuclear bombs and all. They will make their living by selling guns to other peaceful countries; and setting up conditions so they fight between themselves, yet they talk. Their lines of talk now is to make sure other countries have no armies to resist, when it is their turn to get the "democracy".
All citizens should share the turn of duty at the borders, just as they share vacations over countries' beaches or beautiful forrests. Those who take the vacations, but flee when duty calls, simply do not deserve a country, any citizenship nor my respect. That people are forced to service (in Turkey) is true for cowards only, others are in celebration when time comes to pay their debths to those who served along borders before them.
A striking fact, in Turkey, is that service in the reserve army is not only a duty but also a priveledge (by law) for elligible males. That is, you can actually sue authorities, if you cannot be accused of any dishonorable act, yet for some political reason the uniform is denied to you.
This is seriously taken by many Turks, some may not understand it.
Location and size of the country, the etnic variety of Turkish people, length of borders, type of neighboring countries etc give a different importance and role to Turkish Army, than the same conditions would give to say the Luxenburg or Belgian Armies. There are many other sociological reasons why a term of service in the army is good for boys of countries like TURKIA, but I shall not go into such a discussion.
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13 Dec 2007 Thu 02:53 am |
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The Spanish army is now facing one of its greatest challenges yet - attracting professional recruits instead of conscripts. It has put a recruitment bus on the road in a bid to persuade youngsters to sign up.
Targeting areas of high unemployment, the army offers work, future and a profession.
But this may not be enough. The country is enjoying a booming economic expansion, and army salaries are way below those available in civilian life.
Spanish army goes professional
So....just who do you suppose will join this "professional army"?
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13 Dec 2007 Thu 02:56 am |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting zettea: It is difficult for any of us to understand the fears in a soldiers mind before he has to face the risks he is about to take. |
Therefore, they shouldn't be FORCED to do it!!! Geeeeeeezzzzzzz, can't believe how nationalistic and militant you are!!!
Another great thing about not having a huge army and ALL men of the country brainwashed a nationalistic crap is that it forces the government to be more peaceful! What does it say about human species that not only we separate ourselves into groups but also learn early on how to kill other people and that it's an acceptable way of solving problems! |
'brainwashing and nationistic crap' is well spotted catwoman.
'breaking free spirit of the young men' should be included up there too.
Look at the young men going to the army and see them later on when they come back. You will see the difference!
20 years old young boys, full of life, energy, all of them are different. See them two months later: They will all look and behave the same. Not full of life anymore, half scared, semi broken. They wont go anywhere without permission. They wont express any ideas, they will just listen and approve.
In Turkey, I always believed, army has a duty to break men's spirits so that they wont become critisising members of the society. They wont rebel agaist the statusquo.
But we know that each statusquo needs critisizing for better. (How you can change the things for better otherwise!)
Apart from all above, there is also the ethical side of being a soldier.
I never ever believed all armies are kept for defence only.
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13 Dec 2007 Thu 03:21 am |
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Quoting thehandsom:
'brainwashing and nationistic crap' is well spotted catwoman.
'breaking free spirit of the young men' should be included up there too.
Look at the young men going to the army and see them later on when they come back. You will see the difference!
20 years old young boys, full of life, energy, all of them are different. See them two months later: They will all look and behave the same. Not full of life anymore, half scared, semi broken. They wont go anywhere without permission. They wont express any ideas, they will just listen and approve.
In Turkey, I always believed, army has a duty to break men's spirits so that they wont become critisising members of the society. They wont rebel agaist the statusquo.
But we know that each statusquo needs critisizing for better. (How you can change the things for better otherwise!)
Apart from all above, there is also the ethical side of being a soldier.
I never ever believed all armies are kept for defence only. |
Very good observation Thehandsom! It seems to be working very well in Turkey... looking at the results... It is very scary..  
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13 Dec 2007 Thu 03:25 am |
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It will be nicer if you stop erasing my posts.
This is called misuse of authority and is dishonest.
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13 Dec 2007 Thu 03:36 am |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting zettea: It is difficult for any of us to understand the fears in a soldiers mind before he has to face the risks he is about to take. |
Therefore, they shouldn't be FORCED to do it!!! Geeeeeeezzzzzzz, can't believe how nationalistic and militant you are!!!
Another great thing about not having a huge army and ALL men of the country brainwashed a nationalistic crap is that it forces the government to be more peaceful! What does it say about human species that not only we separate ourselves into groups but also learn early on how to kill other people and that it's an acceptable way of solving problems! |
lol nationalistic? i'm not even turkish..
Anyway comparing it with Singapore.. Singapore being only a small country it makes it compulsory for all men above 18 to go through national service.. maybe for turkey they shldnt make it a compulsory thing? but the thing with humans.. if they dont make it compulsory then pple dont really go for it no? And they dont get the best out of the best citizens to defend the country... hence making it compulsory is kind of necessary.
Anyway if there's one thing i hate about the military it has got to be the rule that their women cant practise the hijab. *cries*
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13 Dec 2007 Thu 03:44 am |
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zettea,
Compare the relative importance and roles of Turkish and Singapore armies in attaining and keeping the independence of their respective countries....Tell me if it was your army who gave you your independence?.Do you think that it is them who keeps it going for you?
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13 Dec 2007 Thu 05:59 am |
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Quoting AlphaF: It will be nicer if you stop erasing my posts.
This is called misuse of authority and is dishonest. |
Tell this to Admin, not me. If you don't want your posts to be deleted, it would help you if you didn't use hate speech and didn't call people stupid.
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13 Dec 2007 Thu 07:40 am |
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The one you deleted was not about hate or stupidity.
It mentiond "lack of respect" and "despising"
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