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AN IMPORTANT NIGHT
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 03:58 pm |
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In the larger picture, Turkish Army is not where boys are taught to fight only.
1.Turkey is a big country and travelling around for pleasure is an expensive affair. Village boys get a chance to see more of Turkia, before they finally settle back to their home village lives.
2.Turkia houses many ethnic groups, village boys get a chance to meet their brothers from other ethnic groups in the service. They get a chance to work together and see what the others are like.
3.Most boys from villages are not highly educated. Army teaches them sometimes a trade, sometimes social behaviour, sometimes even how to read and write. Their command of Turkish language is definitely improved.
4.Turkish villages are mostly poor. Available food may be scarce and not very varried. Boys are traeted to 3 square meals a day (if not of Hilton Hotel quality). They physically develop and grow up in the army. That "boys are men, only after their service" is not only related to their indoctrination, but also relate to their phyisical improvement as well.
5.Two years in the army helps detect any hidden diseases or disorders in the boys. Army hospitals and doctors treat them immediately.
6.Each boy gets a chance to form a circle of friends beyond the limits of his own village. Contacts with outside are established. These relations are considered very valuable in Turkey. Comrades-in-arms are highly valued and never forgotten.
7. Ranks obtained even in temporary miltary service are for life. If a boy attains the rank of CORPORAL or SERGEANT, he keeps the title forever. A definite social distinction, among Turks.
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 04:04 pm |
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Ok... this is YOUR view. What if for somebody else the army has far more harmful effects then all the positives you outlined? What if there are MANY men for whom the army is harmful and gives no positive benefits...? 
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 04:24 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: I'm not sure though what military threat there is for Turkey? Do you really need such a huge army and all men trained to use weapons (at the expense of productivity)..? |
Hmmm, let start neighbors from west:
-Greece : remember "megali idea" or "enosis"? do you remember Greece's last invasion of Asia Minor that checked near to Ankara? Or some Greeks' dream about Constantine and Symirna? Or their huge amount of weapon buyings?
-Bulgaria : their exodus of Turk-Muslim citizens at 1990s?
-Georgia : no threat here.
-Armenia : their dream about "great Armenia" and lost lands? Their unwillingness of erasing constitution paragraphs that demands on Turkish lands? Or their continuing invasion on %20 of Azerbaijan lands. Their hate of Turks?
-Iran : Their dream about exporting "Islam Republic" to Turkey?
-Iraq : N.Iraqi Kurds who dream about a united Kurdistan. Also remeber that crazy Saddam and his army.
-Syria : Still shows Hatay in their maps as a part of Syria. Recent home of Öcalan.
- Cyprus : Guess which country passport Öcalan was carrying when he was caught.
Please remember these are the just Turkey's immediate neighbors. There are others like Russia who demanded Kars and unrestricted access from straits back 1950s.
Then, tell me Turkey is in very peaceful spot of world and does not need huge military readiness.
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 04:24 pm |
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Quoting white-wolf: Quoting catwoman: Quoting white-wolf: However I think all the citizens need to learn soldiering in case of need. You know some mighty countries think we need more democracy! |
That's a good one... unfortunately  But you don't need to fear those mighty countries, as you have NO oil, hence, your democracy is just fine!
What do you think of young men having to stop their lifes for 2 years to go to the army? Many young men go to universities, then want to get a job and start a family, but they have to go to the army instead! From where some of them don't even come back... That's against human rights. |
Thank you Catwoman,
However, there are reports of oil fields in the black sea (near to Zonguldak). Oooo...
"What do you think of young men having to stop their lifes for 2 years to go to the army?"
I think it is total waste of young men's years. But a necessary waste for the opinions that I mentioned before.
If the world is more peaceful than today, we do not need to make necessary sacrifices of our years. |
Welcome to Turkish Language Class White Wolf, your articulate comments are greatly appreciated by some here.
Let's not forget, Turkia also has significant water resources as well as a strategic territory.
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 04:32 pm |
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Quoting white-wolf: Hmmm, let start neighbors from west:
-Greece : remember "megali idea" or "enosis"? do you remember Greece's last invasion of Asia Minor that checked near to Ankara? Or some Greeks' dream about Constantine and Symirna? Or their huge amount of weapon buyings?
-Bulgaria : their exodus of Turk-Muslim citizens at 1990s?
-Georgia : no threat here.
-Armenia : their dream about "great Armenia" and lost lands? Their unwillingness of erasing constitution paragraphs that demands on Turkish lands? Or their continuing invasion on %20 of Azerbaijan lands. Their hate of Turks?
-Iran : Their dream about exporting "Islam Republic" to Turkey?
-Iraq : N.Iraqi Kurds who dream about a united Kurdistan. Also remeber that crazy Saddam and his army.
-Syria : Still shows Hatay in their maps as a part of Syria. Recent home of Öcalan.
- Cyprus : Guess which country passport Öcalan was carrying when he was caught.
Please remember these are the just Turkey's immediate neighbors. There are others like Russia who demanded Kars and unrestricted access from straits back 1950s.
Then, tell me Turkey is in very peaceful spot of world and does not need huge military readiness. |
If there are such serious problems then surely there's no option.... I wish though that Turkey was more peaceful with its neighbors and finalized in peaceful ways all the Cyprus/Kurdish/Armenian/Greek... conflicts. Sometimes I have a feeling like Turkey doesn't really want to do that, but that's my opinion.
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 04:34 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Ok... this is YOUR view. What if for somebody else the army has far more harmful effects then all the positives you outlined? What if there are MANY men for whom the army is harmful and gives no positive benefits...? |
Once their medical status is established as such, by army Doctors, they are sent to work in the tourist industry, where they serve as valiant dudus.
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 04:36 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF: Once their medical status is established as such, by army Doctors, they are send to work in the tourist industry, where they serve as valiant dudus. |
I that what happened to you and that's why you're so bitter now? That makes sense..
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 04:42 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Ok... this is YOUR view. What if for somebody else the army has far more harmful effects then all the positives you outlined? What if there are MANY men for whom the army is harmful and gives no positive benefits...? |
i am one of those men the army gave me absolutely NOTHING!!!
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 04:48 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting white-wolf: Hmmm, let start neighbors from west:
-Greece : remember "megali idea" or "enosis"? do you remember Greece's last invasion of Asia Minor that checked near to Ankara? Or some Greeks' dream about Constantine and Symirna? Or their huge amount of weapon buyings?
-Bulgaria : their exodus of Turk-Muslim citizens at 1990s?
-Georgia : no threat here.
-Armenia : their dream about "great Armenia" and lost lands? Their unwillingness of erasing constitution paragraphs that demands on Turkish lands? Or their continuing invasion on %20 of Azerbaijan lands. Their hate of Turks?
-Iran : Their dream about exporting "Islam Republic" to Turkey?
-Iraq : N.Iraqi Kurds who dream about a united Kurdistan. Also remeber that crazy Saddam and his army.
-Syria : Still shows Hatay in their maps as a part of Syria. Recent home of Öcalan.
- Cyprus : Guess which country passport Öcalan was carrying when he was caught.
Please remember these are the just Turkey's immediate neighbors. There are others like Russia who demanded Kars and unrestricted access from straits back 1950s.
Then, tell me Turkey is in very peaceful spot of world and does not need huge military readiness. |
If there are such serious problems then surely there's no option.... I wish though that Turkey was more peaceful with its neighbors and finalized in peaceful ways all the Cyprus/Kurdish/Armenian/Greek... conflicts. Sometimes I have a feeling like Turkey doesn't really want to do that, but that's my opinion. |
Check out the variance in Turkish-Greek relations, since both countries are independent.
You may be surprided that peace prevails between these contries, onlr when Turkia holds the upper hand. As soon as the neifgbor starts feeling Turkia has other problems too or Europeans convince her that they have full support of Europe and, surely Turkia is a piece of cake for Greece - problems start.
Pls dont reply crap, before you do your homework. Check it out first !
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 04:51 pm |
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Quoting catwoman:
If there are such serious problems then surely there's no option.... I wish though that Turkey was more peaceful with its neighbors and finalized in peaceful ways all the Cyprus/Kurdish/Armenian/Greek... conflicts. Sometimes I have a feeling like Turkey doesn't really want to do that, but that's my opinion. |
Fair enough.
Yes, sometimes I fell that Turkey moves like a clumsy bully. But, One must remember that "Serves treaty" effect of Turkish Mentality.
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 04:53 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF: Quoting ciko: Quoting catwoman: Ok... this is YOUR view. What if for somebody else the army has far more harmful effects then all the positives you outlined? What if there are MANY men for whom the army is harmful and gives no positive benefits...? |
i am one of those men the army gave me absolutely NOTHING!!!
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Nothing to nothing...It shows! |
good answer alpha you are being like femme lately well done..go on go on
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