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AN IMPORTANT NIGHT
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 04:53 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF: Quoting ciko: Quoting catwoman: Ok... this is YOUR view. What if for somebody else the army has far more harmful effects then all the positives you outlined? What if there are MANY men for whom the army is harmful and gives no positive benefits...?  |
i am one of those men the army gave me absolutely NOTHING!!!
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Nothing to nothing...It shows! |
good answer alpha you are being like femme lately well done..go on go on
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 04:55 pm |
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Quoting ciko: good answer alpha you are being like femme lately well done..go on go on |
Don't offend femme! That's a serious insult!!! 
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 04:57 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting ciko: good answer alpha you are being like femme lately well done..go on go on |
Don't offend femme! That's a serious insult!!! |
i meant to praise him but yes you are right..i think it was insult. i am sorry Femme...forgive me 
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 05:00 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting white-wolf: Hmmm, let start neighbors from west:
-Greece : remember "megali idea" or "enosis"? do you remember Greece's last invasion of Asia Minor that checked near to Ankara? Or some Greeks' dream about Constantine and Symirna? Or their huge amount of weapon buyings?
-Bulgaria : their exodus of Turk-Muslim citizens at 1990s?
-Georgia : no threat here.
-Armenia : their dream about "great Armenia" and lost lands? Their unwillingness of erasing constitution paragraphs that demands on Turkish lands? Or their continuing invasion on %20 of Azerbaijan lands. Their hate of Turks?
-Iran : Their dream about exporting "Islam Republic" to Turkey?
-Iraq : N.Iraqi Kurds who dream about a united Kurdistan. Also remeber that crazy Saddam and his army.
-Syria : Still shows Hatay in their maps as a part of Syria. Recent home of Öcalan.
- Cyprus : Guess which country passport Öcalan was carrying when he was caught.
Please remember these are the just Turkey's immediate neighbors. There are others like Russia who demanded Kars and unrestricted access from straits back 1950s.
Then, tell me Turkey is in very peaceful spot of world and does not need huge military readiness. |
If there are such serious problems then surely there's no option.... I wish though that Turkey was more peaceful with its neighbors and finalized in peaceful ways all the Cyprus/Kurdish/Armenian/Greek... conflicts. Sometimes I have a feeling like Turkey doesn't really want to do that, but that's my opinion. |
Well said catwoman..
That is what our brainwashing does to us unfortunately.
We are all paranoid. It is what is taught in schools what is taught in the army. This idea of 'we have been circled by the enemies' has kind of historical background as well because of WW1, our independence war, all western powers tried to erase Turkish from the map 100 years ago etc.
But now the time is different! The way the wars are fought is different.
We should stop being paranoid first with our neighbors. We should stop thinking that there is going to be a war tomorrow. Otherwise we will never taste the peace!
And about the army. There should be a professional army. It is a huge waste to keep a million young people there and teach nothing and let them do nothing! (btw. reading/writing rate is quite high in turkey right now. So it is not necesssary to teach them how to read and write. Even if it is still the case then pour money to the education then the army!!)
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I should also add this as a quick info that, I think, our problem with racism in Turkey has a lot to do with the army as well.
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 05:59 pm |
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Who erased SOME's post? It is not fair, at all !
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 06:23 pm |
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Quoting white-wolf:
Hmmm, let start neighbors from west:
-Greece : remember "megali idea" or "enosis"? do you remember Greece's last invasion of Asia Minor that checked near to Ankara? Or some Greeks' dream about Constantine and Symirna? Or their huge amount of weapon buyings?
-Bulgaria : their exodus of Turk-Muslim citizens at 1990s?
-Georgia : no threat here.
-Armenia : their dream about "great Armenia" and lost lands? Their unwillingness of erasing constitution paragraphs that demands on Turkish lands? Or their continuing invasion on %20 of Azerbaijan lands. Their hate of Turks?
-Iran : Their dream about exporting "Islam Republic" to Turkey?
-Iraq : N.Iraqi Kurds who dream about a united Kurdistan. Also remeber that crazy Saddam and his army.
-Syria : Still shows Hatay in their maps as a part of Syria. Recent home of Öcalan.
- Cyprus : Guess which country passport Öcalan was carrying when he was caught.
Please remember these are the just Turkey's immediate neighbors. There are others like Russia who demanded Kars and unrestricted access from straits back 1950s.
Then, tell me Turkey is in very peaceful spot of world and does not need huge military readiness. |
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 06:33 pm |
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Quoting white-wolf:
I think "my two cents" is an idiom that means "here my thoughts about subject" that used in English writings |
and i must be an idiot (that doesnt know the idioms) talking to children here 
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 06:35 pm |
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Quoting ciko:
good answer alpha you are being like femme lately well done..go on go on |
i know omga tries to copy me, but he fails only.
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 06:49 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal:
it must be that very well known turkish politeness to call someone nothing! |
And also you should add 'calling someone brainless' into that politeness as well. I have been quite patient so far!!
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 07:24 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom: Quoting catwoman: Quoting white-wolf: Hmmm, let start neighbors from west:
-Greece : remember "megali idea" or "enosis"? do you remember Greece's last invasion of Asia Minor that checked near to Ankara? Or some Greeks' dream about Constantine and Symirna? Or their huge amount of weapon buyings?
-Bulgaria : their exodus of Turk-Muslim citizens at 1990s?
-Georgia : no threat here.
-Armenia : their dream about "great Armenia" and lost lands? Their unwillingness of erasing constitution paragraphs that demands on Turkish lands? Or their continuing invasion on %20 of Azerbaijan lands. Their hate of Turks?
-Iran : Their dream about exporting "Islam Republic" to Turkey?
-Iraq : N.Iraqi Kurds who dream about a united Kurdistan. Also remeber that crazy Saddam and his army.
-Syria : Still shows Hatay in their maps as a part of Syria. Recent home of Öcalan.
- Cyprus : Guess which country passport Öcalan was carrying when he was caught.
Please remember these are the just Turkey's immediate neighbors. There are others like Russia who demanded Kars and unrestricted access from straits back 1950s.
Then, tell me Turkey is in very peaceful spot of world and does not need huge military readiness. |
If there are such serious problems then surely there's no option.... I wish though that Turkey was more peaceful with its neighbors and finalized in peaceful ways all the Cyprus/Kurdish/Armenian/Greek... conflicts. Sometimes I have a feeling like Turkey doesn't really want to do that, but that's my opinion. |
Well said catwoman..
That is what our brainwashing does to us unfortunately.
We are all paranoid. It is what is taught in schools what is taught in the army. This idea of 'we have been circled by the enemies' has kind of historical background as well because of WW1, our independence war, all western powers tried to erase Turkish from the map 100 years ago etc.
But now the time is different! The way the wars are fought is different.
We should stop being paranoid first with our neighbors. We should stop thinking that there is going to be a war tomorrow. Otherwise we will never taste the peace!
And about the army. There should be a professional army. It is a huge waste to keep a million young people there and teach nothing and let them do nothing! (btw. reading/writing rate is quite high in turkey right now. So it is not necesssary to teach them how to read and write. Even if it is still the case then pour money to the education then the army!!)
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I should also add this as a quick info that, I think, our problem with racism in Turkey has a lot to do with the army as well.
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I agree with both of you handsom and catwoman, I must be in a good mood... 
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17 Dec 2007 Mon 07:53 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting ciko:
good answer alpha you are being like femme lately well done..go on go on |
i know omga tries to copy me, but he fails only. |
+111111
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