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14 Dec 2007 Fri 01:21 am |
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Quoting alameda: Quoting teaschip1: ................
A note to Omega; some of the Turks may see this as a priviledge to serve in your military, however I know many Turks here in the U.S. who ran like hell from your country, just to avoid serving. With the number of citizens in Turkey, it should not be mandated... |
Hmmm....I seem to remember the same thing happening in the US in particular during the Vietnam War....and it's happening today too.....even though those serving now "volunteered" to join... |
Alameda, you obviously don't read my posts or have selective memory. I mentioned the Vietnam War and how my uncle died because of our government having a draft. 
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14 Dec 2007 Fri 01:32 am |
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Quoting teaschip1: Quoting alameda: Quoting teaschip1: ................
A note to Omega; some of the Turks may see this as a priviledge to serve in your military, however I know many Turks here in the U.S. who ran like hell from your country, just to avoid serving. With the number of citizens in Turkey, it should not be mandated... |
Hmmm....I seem to remember the same thing happening in the US in particular during the Vietnam War....and it's happening today too.....even though those serving now "volunteered" to join... |
Aladmeda, you obviously don't read my posts or have selective memory. I mentioned the Vietnam War and how my uncle died because of our government having a draft. |
I did read that, and I'm sorry for the loss to your family. However that does not make you an expert on the matter.
Many here may well have lost family members serving in the military, but they do not choose to talk about it.
We all have skeletons in our closets.
That has nothing to do with what I wrote, nore does it negate what I wrote. what I wrote is that many US persons ran like Hell to get out of serving both then and now.
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14 Dec 2007 Fri 01:47 am |
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I had the occasion to meet today a higher employee from the army the military fireman division, so I asked his opinion about the abolition of compulsory army service in Romania. He said: a pregnancy lasts for 9 month… well army service is not much longer either. And how much it takes from a lifetime? It changes a man, actually helps making a man man. During that time he learns how to handle his personal life also. And that is possible to get through the army safely….
Many people I know tell army stories, they tell especially their tough moments. In life there are also tough moments… In some societies, army still works like an initiation. And initiations have their value. Many youngsters here are totally unprepared for life.
About the posts deletion: if only some of you had been gone through a period when everything was censored, people were picked up from their homes even for telling an “inconvenient†joke, if only some of you would have seen people getting paranoid out of the constant tension they had to live with, I am sure you would have deal differently some situations. If only. Women were made bitches in this site. How come this post never bothered anyone?
Taking out newspapers into a neighbor country was also a nice business. Usually in the chain were 4 peoples, 2 completely “obscuresâ€, thus the chances to get papers safely through the borders increased. From Hungary, deliveries were made towards what back then was West Germany.
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14 Dec 2007 Fri 01:50 am |
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Quoting alameda: Quoting teaschip1: Quoting alameda: Quoting teaschip1: ................
A note to Omega; some of the Turks may see this as a priviledge to serve in your military, however I know many Turks here in the U.S. who ran like hell from your country, just to avoid serving. With the number of citizens in Turkey, it should not be mandated... |
Hmmm....I seem to remember the same thing happening in the US in particular during the Vietnam War....and it's happening today too.....even though those serving now "volunteered" to join... |
Aladmeda, you obviously don't read my posts or have selective memory. I mentioned the Vietnam War and how my uncle died because of our government having a draft. |
I did read that, and I'm sorry for the loss to your family. However that does not make you an expert on the matter.
Many here may well have lost family members serving in the military, but they do not choose to talk about it.
We all have skeletons in our closets.
That has nothing to do with what I wrote, nore does it negate what I wrote. what I wrote is that many US persons ran like Hell to get out of serving both then and now. |
I don't want you to feel sorry, I mearly was stating what Vietnam did to our innocent young men. Who said I was an expert. I don't understand you at all Alameda, I think you flip flop back and forth like Femme says. Our military is voluntairy and these men are compensated with an education and pay. I am sure there are men who regret enlisting, never thinking they would be going to war. However, it was their choice! No one forced them too. But please share with me where they are running like hell to as you mentioned currently and please no links...
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14 Dec 2007 Fri 02:05 am |
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You just confirmed to me what the rest of the U.S. thinks about San Fran. it's where all the nut cases live....no wonder...
Let me guess, you now will post a link about San Fran.... 
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14 Dec 2007 Fri 02:55 am |
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Quoting teaschip1: .......... But please share with me where they are running like hell to as you mentioned currently and please no links... |
"5,500 deserters have been recorded since the war started in Iraq". Seeing as you don't want any links, you will have to look yourself....but here's a hint....(60 minutes)and that was from a Pentagon report....but I won't trouble you with a link...
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14 Dec 2007 Fri 03:09 am |
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Quoting alameda: Quoting teaschip1: .......... But please share with me where they are running like hell to as you mentioned currently and please no links... |
"5,500 deserters have been recorded since the war started in Iraq". Seeing as you don't want any links, you will have to look yourself....but here's a hint....(60 minutes)and that was from a Pentagon report....but I won't trouble you with a link... |
Well its also a fact that our soldiers in the UK have been traumatised by their experiences in Iraq to a degree never seen in combat by UK forces before. Many have psyhological and nervous conditions.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/07/070703172027.htm
However this has nothing to do with the subject, merely that we should not be in Iraq!!
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14 Dec 2007 Fri 05:26 am |
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deployment is the worst part of military! gosh~
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14 Dec 2007 Fri 06:14 am |
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Quoting AEnigma III:
Well its also a fact that our soldiers in the UK have been traumatised by their experiences in Iraq to a degree never seen in combat by UK forces before. Many have psyhological and nervous conditions.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/07/070703172027.htm
However this has nothing to do with the subject, merely that we should not be in Iraq!! |
I agree with you 100% we should never have gone to Iraq in the first place. My point, and I believe Keith's point was/is if the whole population were involved, and at risk,(like the children of some of those who voted on it) maybe/hopefully, we never would have gone there in the first place. As it is, it's too abstract and removed from the general population. It's sort of like "well they volunteered to go"
When it's your neck on the line things look very different.
Now another point, everyone in the military is not in combat, or at least that was the way it was before all the massive outsourcing. There were tailors, cooks, mechanics and other positions that needed to be filled.
I shudder to contemplate what we face in the future. Just now we have massive amount of soldiers with PTSD.
PTSD
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14 Dec 2007 Fri 09:20 am |
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Quoting alameda:
I agree with you 100% we should never have gone to Iraq in the first place. My point, and I believe Keith's point was/is if the whole population were involved, and at risk,(like the children of some of those who voted on it) maybe/hopefully, we never would have gone there in the first place. As it is, it's too abstract and removed from the general population. It's sort of like 'well they volunteered to go'
When it's your neck on the line things look very different.
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I normally stay out of political and religious discussions but this is just too ludicrous for me to not say something! 
Are you seriously suggesting that if we didn't have an all volunteer army the US would not have invaded Iraq because the 'whole population' wouldn't have allowed it? What...would the army stage a coup and overthrow Mr. Bush?
Isn't Bush himself a prime example of how the 'children of some of the people' who vote on wars avoid duty?
He joined the National Guard at a time when President Johnson decided NOT to call up the guard for duty in Vietnam. Miraculously, he beat out over 500 other Guard applicants even though he had minimum testing scores on the pilot's test. Ohhh....I'm sure that had absolutely nothing to do with his father....the Congressman!
People in power find ways to stay out of harms way in times of war. Having required military service does not change that!
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14 Dec 2007 Fri 07:40 pm |
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Quoting girleegirl: ...I normally stay out of political and religious discussions but this is just too ludicrous for me to not say something!
Are you seriously suggesting that if we didn't have an all volunteer army the US would not have invaded Iraq because the 'whole population' wouldn't have allowed it? What...would the army stage a coup and overthrow Mr. Bush?
Isn't Bush himself a prime example of how the 'children of some of the people' who vote on wars avoid duty?
He joined the National Guard at a time when President Johnson decided NOT to call up the guard for duty in Vietnam. Miraculously, he beat out over 500 other Guard applicants even though he had minimum testing scores on the pilot's test. Ohhh....I'm sure that had absolutely nothing to do with his father....the Congressman!
People in power find ways to stay out of harms way in times of war. Having required military service does not change that! |
I agree with much of what you say, and respect your opinion, but who voted the deciders in to the position to send and start a war in the first place? Maybe if enough have a real concern about being sent to serve, the outcome would be different.
Again, all those in the military do not serve on the front line. There are many positions to fill that do not involve front line combat. As it is now we have an unprecedented amount of outsourcing to those who profit from war. We have our National Guard, who we need here to help with things like forrest fires, floods, hurricane relief to mention only a few of areas they help with, now in Iraq, instead of at home where they signed up to serve.
Outsourcing War
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