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The lack of powerful liberal Muslim voices
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06 Mar 2008 Thu 01:59 am |
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Quoting alameda: Quoting catwoman: Oh, thank you!  Maybe that actually means something that we only hear about the bad guys! |
Yes, and most see only the only rocks and never the diamonds... |
Oh please! You're simply in denial of the truth.
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06 Mar 2008 Thu 02:44 am |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting alameda: Quoting catwoman: Oh, thank you! Maybe that actually means something that we only hear about the bad guys! |
Yes, and most see only the only rocks and never the diamonds... |
Oh please! You're simply in denial of the truth. |
So you are telling me you think people like Rumi was not a diamond? Younis Emre was not a diamond? What culture and religion do you think they practiced?
Rumi
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06 Mar 2008 Thu 02:47 am |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting alameda: Quoting catwoman: Oh, thank you! Maybe that actually means something that we only hear about the bad guys! |
Yes, and most see only the only rocks and never the diamonds... |
Oh please! You're simply in denial of the truth. |
Here....try to open your heart and mind.
http://www.twf.org/Library/Jihad.html
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06 Mar 2008 Thu 02:52 am |
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Quoting alameda: So you are telling me you think people like Rumi was not a diamond? Younis Emre was not a diamond? What culture and religion do you think they practiced? |
Oh, yes, I exaggerated that there is only one liberal muslim voice. But I was talking mainly about the muslim response to the current issues of terrorism and human rights in muslim countries and in muslim communities.
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06 Mar 2008 Thu 04:39 am |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting alameda: Quoting catwoman: Oh, thank you! Maybe that actually means something that we only hear about the bad guys! |
Yes, and most see only the only rocks and never the diamonds... |
Oh please! You're simply in denial of the truth. |
So, Cat, you are graduating from stating opinions to believing you alone know the truth.
Me thinks you are "insulting" Alameda's intelligence . . .tut tut 
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06 Mar 2008 Thu 04:45 am |
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Quoting catwoman: Actually, I was very happy to find out that there is ONE liberal muslim voice:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5Jbt0ktT8M |
This guy is brilliant 
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06 Mar 2008 Thu 05:02 am |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting alameda: So you are telling me you think people like Rumi was not a diamond? Younis Emre was not a diamond? What culture and religion do you think they practiced? |
Oh, yes, I exaggerated that there is only one liberal muslim voice. But I was talking mainly about the muslim response to the current issues of terrorism and human rights in muslim countries and in muslim communities. |
A couple of minutes on a search engine and there is a great deal of information out there.
www.heartsandminds.org/mideast/muslims.htm
www.muhajabah.com/otherscondemn.php
www.expressindia.com/latest-news/AlQaida-losing-supporta...
www.reformislam.org/news.aol.com/newsbloggers/2008/02/20/muslims-who-renounce...
Muslims against domestic violence
www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/7368/muslimdv_sign.htm
imamjohari.wordpress.com/2008/01/06/muslims-working-again...
On several occasions Alameda has given this link:
http://www.muslimwakeup.com/bb/index.php
It seems to be a great site and well set out with links taking you straight to the issues you want to discuss. It is very well moderated too. It is an ideal site to visit if what you're looking for is a platform for religious deb ate.
This is the site's mission statement:
"Muslim WakeUp! seeks to bring together Muslims and non-Muslims in America and around the globe in efforts that celebrate cultural and spiritual diversity, tolerance, and understanding. Through online and offline media, events, and community activities, Muslim WakeUp! champions an interpretation of Islam that celebrates the Oneness of God and the Unity of God’s creation through the encouragement of the human creative spirit and the free exchange of ideas, in an atmosphere that is filled with compassion and free of intimidation, authoritarianism, and dogmatism. In all its activities, Muslim WakeUp! attempts to reflect a deep belief in justice and against all forms of oppression, bigotry, sexism, and racism. MWU prohibits the attacks against any religiously important figure of any religion."
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06 Mar 2008 Thu 05:37 am |
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Quoting peace train: So, Cat, you are graduating from stating opinions to believing you alone know the truth.
Me thinks you are "insulting" Alameda's intelligence . . .tut tut |
me thinks you are writing useless posts to support your friends, doing exactly what you criticized 5 minutes ago and me thinks I shouldn't be responding to you.
tut tut 
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06 Mar 2008 Thu 04:49 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting peace train: So, Cat, you are graduating from stating opinions to believing you alone know the truth.
Me thinks you are "insulting" Alameda's intelligence . . .tut tut |
me thinks I shouldn't be responding to you.
tut tut |
Finally! 
btw I am sorry you found the following information I posted "useless", it was posted for EVERYONE on this site, whatever their religious or political persuasion. It might also make your life as a moderator that much easier. I'm assuming you would like your moderation duties to become easier. Don't you?
*******!!!!!!!!!!!SANCTIMONY WARNING!!!!!!!!!!!!!*********
Cat Dear . . . I don't think you have noticed, but just about everyone on this site, who becomes embroiled in a political or religious discussion, ends up accusing/criticising another member of/for doing something they themselves do!!! It's called hypocracy . . . That's what we all seem to do. There's a heap load of irony too.
This site is splattered with childish tit for tat remarks. Yes, I include myself as not to do so would be so very foolish. And you know what they say "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" (I'm referring to the childish remarks brigade here ) .This is not a new phenomenon on this site.
I've had (as we all have) many accusations thrown at me . . . what I have tried very hard to avoid is such phrases as:
"who asked you . . . . . ?"
"Who do you think you are . . . .?"
"How ........that is coming from you .....
"Don't lecture me . . . . ."
"That's rich . . . .. "
But that's my choice and because I don't use them doesn't mean nobody is allowed to. I don't think I've ever complained about what has been said about me personally but I have to admit I do tend to jump to the defence of others.
Like anyone else, I may get a little down about the atmosphere on the site at times, and feel the desire to leave. However, what makes me stay is the realisation that we do all feel that at times and I contribute, just as much as anyone else, to that atmosphere, so I plod on, like we all do.
This is one reason why I haven't commented about AEnigma's or Femme's choice to leave the site for a while. I haven't made any sarcastic comments or entreated them to stay or stay away. Their choices are personal to them and they will decide what they wish to do. Whatever they decide it will be what is best for them. If they left because of the atmosphere on the site then I won't criticise because I can empathise. What would be the point in getting a laugh out of or mocking someone's sadness? Of course they may have totally different reasons, I don't know, it's their business.
We get ourselves embroiled in debate and it does get uncivilised at times, but we only have ourselves to blame. We choose to be here, we choose to enter the debates, we must deal with the fall out in our own way and accept that that is what everyone else is doing. It would be nice to have a bit more variety though.
Oh bloody hell . . .I think I got side tracked . . . shame on you Cat . . .provoking an acute attack of sanctimony . . . you are supposed to be a doctor . . .could it be a allergy I have do you think? Or some kind of phobia? I don't have a rash if that helps a diagnosis (btw this last bit is a friendly tease, not sarcasm) .
I just had a thought, perhaps we could help the moderators a little. This is my plan . . . . fun but serious ok?
So . . . anyone reading or participating in a thread . . .if you think it is getting out of hand . . .jump in and shout . . . shout . . . ok we need a code word so that everyone will know to stop the bun fight. How about "Fluffy Bunnies" or "Turkish Delight"? The code would need to be written into the rules so that all new members knew what was going on. I somehow don't think they would get the message if these phrases suddenly appeared during a conversation about masturbation . . .
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06 Mar 2008 Thu 07:58 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting alameda: Quoting catwoman: Oh, thank you! Maybe that actually means something that we only hear about the bad guys! |
Yes, and most see only the only rocks and never the diamonds... |
Oh please! You're simply in denial of the truth. |
Well catwoman, we all have our talents and faults.
Treasures abound, but not many are able to recognize them. Most only follow the crowd to the treasure (and are often fooled by forgeries), but by then much of the treasure has been lost.
Would you recognize a rough diamond? How many would see the treasure in front of their eyes, not many I think.
"South Africa's diamond heritage stems from a pretty little pebble picked up on the bank of the Orange River in 1867, not far from Hopetown. Erasmus Jacobs, fifteen years old and the son of a poor labourer, took it home as a plaything. The stone was then given to a neighbouring farmer, Schalk van Niekerk, a casual collector of unusual stones. He in turn entrusted it to the trader John O'Reilly, who sent it (in an unsealed envelope!) to Dr. G. W. Atherstone, a Grahamstown physician and one of the few people in the Cape Colony who knew anything about minerals. The stone was judged a 'veritable diamond' of 21.25 carats and valued at £500. Once cut, the stone weighing 10.73 carats, was called The Eureka and is now kept at the Library of Parliament in Cape Town."
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06 Mar 2008 Thu 08:10 pm |
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Quote: Would you recognize a rough diamond? |
 I'm still trying to find a liberal muslim here in Ohio..but no such luck.. 
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