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The lack of powerful liberal Muslim voices
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06 Mar 2008 Thu 08:10 pm |
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Quote: Would you recognize a rough diamond? |
 I'm still trying to find a liberal muslim here in Ohio..but no such luck.. 
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06 Mar 2008 Thu 10:05 pm |
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Quoting Roswitha: But if there is to be a modern Islam in Germany, support must be offered to liberal Muslims.
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This is the key right here.....LIBERAL MUSLIMS. Fortunately, I think their voices are getting a little louder.
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07 Mar 2008 Fri 01:00 am |
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Quoting Elisabeth: Quoting Roswitha: But if there is to be a modern Islam in Germany, support must be offered to liberal Muslims.
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This is the key right here.....LIBERAL MUSLIMS. Fortunately, I think their voices are getting a little louder. |
Elisabeth, It's not that they haven't existed all the time, it's that they are being heard now. When I look at TV shows, Muslims are always portrayed in very negative ways.
If not negative, most often they are trivialized with overly exotic portrayals.
Most opinions are formed by representations from the Media who are indebted to their sponsors and Corporate Board of Directors, shareholders....it is a profit driven, not necessarily for the general publics best interests.
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07 Mar 2008 Fri 01:57 am |
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There is no doubt that sensationalistic media producing for dumb masses is skewing the picture, BUT, alameda, liberal muslims are a rarity and that's not a media truth, that's reality. I am looking around and I don't see many of them. With all the crazy stuff going on in europe and around the world, we should know about those liberals if they were there. But none of them are protesting to all the atrocities commited against humanity that's happening even in their own circles.
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07 Mar 2008 Fri 05:02 am |
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Lecture from adonis - much ado about nothing, if they don't agree with you, insult them! 
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07 Mar 2008 Fri 05:07 am |
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Quoting catwoman: Lecture from adonis - much ado about nothing, if they don't agree with you, insult them! |
flutters from a person who has taken very heavy proofs from clever peoples. 
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07 Mar 2008 Fri 05:17 am |
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Quoting adonis: Quoting catwoman: Lecture from adonis - much ado about nothing, if they don't agree with you, insult them! |
flutters from a person who has taken very heavy proofs from clever peoples. |
mutters from a person who has not said one reasonable thing yet and who has not responded with an argument to an argument yet, only with insults! speaking of hypocricy, canim?
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07 Mar 2008 Fri 11:53 am |
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I absolutely agree that this world needs loud liberal Muslim voices. Otherwise it is just the fundamentalists who make the bad press for all. I hope that with time this will change.
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07 Mar 2008 Fri 01:20 pm |
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You just dont get it,the problem is not the lack of liberal muslims
There are many,but not heared.
There are many wrong things in the way West approaching muslims and İslam,
They use ways,or let me say wordings are not,and will NOT be accepted by any muslim.
Reforming İslam,changing verses of Qur'an...NONSENSE
There are verses is the bible that that least we can say is cruel
And they havent been changed...!
My point is...dig in İslam,dig in Quran itself,and get it by proves, that you can be liberal and also you can be a good Muslim
İ dont say to twist the meaning of the verses,nope,but to have wide understanding for them by what we are living today.
This actually happing too,many İmams qualified and reliable İmams is doing this
İmams that people can trust their knowledge of İslam.
ALLAH told us,HE brought this Qur'an for us to be suitable for all times,
And that is Qur'an miracle.
So yes,it indicate things happened in the past,events,problems and how to solve it in the past's circumstances
We can take the rule,and apply it in today circumstances and understanding...
İ dont say to change the rules 'haşa ALLAH' but to apply them within the spirit on the time we are living in.
Not standing where they were hundreds of years ago.
For example,many,many years ago,after Rasul SAV died by mmm 10 yrs maybe,there was a great,GREAT ruler,who was all Muslims ruler at that time
That man ,Ömer RA was one of Mohamed SAV friends who was always arround him and learing from him,whom Rasul ALLAH said about him ''Holly spirit would be sending verses from his tongue''indicating that what he says is right,and very much acceptable from ALLAH
Anyway,you know that there is rule in İslam to cut the hand of the one who steal
İn that time,Muslims were living in great poverty,they even couldnt find food to eat
So,he cancelled this penalty on those days
So İslam was and is open to flexibility
There was no,and will be NO imam like Ömer RA,and he had done this many many years ago.
There are İmamlar who is doing this today also,they dont leave İslam rules and showing people how to live with them also within the current time circumstances
Those imamlar should be heared and have louder voices.
But talking about reforming İslam ?!
FORGET İT !
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07 Mar 2008 Fri 01:25 pm |
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Quoting Daydreamer: I absolutely agree that this world needs loud liberal Muslim voices. Otherwise it is just the fundamentalists who make the bad press for all. I hope that with time this will change. |
Agreed. And those loud liberal Muslim voices will need the trust and support of non muslims as well as muslims. Organizations made up of people from all walks of life need more prominence in order to get the message across to "Joe Public" and diminish the prejudices on both sides.
There are websites out there where Muslims condemn atrocities etc. I have posted them a few times in recent days. I didn't post them as proof alone. They aren't useful in a global sense, unless people actually visit them and interact rather than merely acknowledge their existence.
It's not enough for non Muslims to express their desire for more prominent liberal Muslims. Muslims and non Muslims, the ones we see every day in the streets, in this chat room, need to meet each other half way, stop the inquisitions. See the glass half full not half empty folks. Build something good. From little acorns . . .
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