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The lack of powerful liberal Muslim voices
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08 Mar 2008 Sat 01:54 am |
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Quoting alameda: First of all, there are many who DO NOT consider Saudi Arabia a true Islamic state.
Another thing is.....for how long did England colonize Eastern countries, leeching riches out of those countries. How many treasures from the East are in British museums? |
Is this your comment about the current muslim hatred of the west?  And we're not talking about muslims in saudi arabia or egypt, we're talking about muslims who live in the west!
If saudi arabia is not a true islamic state, then why are you taking their money and building mosques and hateful islamic schools with it?
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08 Mar 2008 Sat 02:03 am |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting CANLI: Dear cat,reading your post made me think ...
What did the west do actually for us and you see its enough ?! |
what did the west do for you.... when you're a muslim in the UK, for example, those idiots are even considering whether they should introduce sharia for you guys! what's the response of muslims? more hatred of the west!
how are you treated if you're a non-muslim in a muslim country? hatred. (for example: in saudi arabia, the true islamic state,  preaching christianity is punishable by death! hahah)
do you need more examples? |
Actually,yes,i do
UK,doesnt consider this,it was merely a suggestion from The Archbishop of Canterbury
And his assistances rushed and explained,he didnt mean it this way
Maybe the man,as a religious man felt that Muslims in Uk cant practice their believes in a appropriate way and from respecting to freedom of people to practice their believes ''and you know to such a religous man that is important'' he came out with that suggestion ?!
Maybe,i dont know !
You been to the UK and you saw that Muslims there hate West ?
That wanst what i understood from AEnigma's posts in many occasions
Surely there are the goods and bads...ama are all bads ?!!!
Secondly,have you been to a Muslim country,and have you been treated with hate ?!
İ wont argue AGAİN,about Saudi Arabia and whether its is the true islamic state or not
But have you been to Saudi Arabia ?
Do you know how non-Muslims live there ?!
Like kings and queens !
And about preaching christianity ,you said when you be in a country you respect its law...
And that is İTS law...preach it where its allowed for you to do.
When British were living here in my country,we used to have law,courts only for foreigners other than ours.
So it actually happed in our country for YOUR favore!
And even now,Foreigners are well treated,there are churches,many too from all Christians branches ''they are many you know''
There are jewish temples.
We have one law...but there are one for Christians,and another one for Muslims in some certain things.
So yes,please,tell me more
What have the West done to us since we actually gained our freedom and tried to live together?!
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08 Mar 2008 Sat 02:17 am |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting peace train: Such a minor issue for the non muslim and such a good opportunity to show empathy and gain trust. There are much worse things to worry about in this world. |
We show empathy enough. Time for them to show some. Enough of demands! |
It's not that you don't read the posts Cat. It's not that you can't understand what is being said Cat. Simply put, Cat, you don't WANT to do anything to change the status quo. You seem to like your thoughts, you seem to be in your comfort zone with those thoughts. You want Muslims to do everything. I'm sorry, but Muslims cannot do this on their own. I'm talking about all those Muslims (seek and you shall find) who denounce the atrocities . . .
Come on . . . let's get those reciprocal olive branches out
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08 Mar 2008 Sat 02:26 am |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting CANLI: Dear cat,reading your post made me think ...
What did the west do actually for us and you see its enough ?! |
what did the west do for you.... when you're a muslim in the UK, for example, those idiots are even considering whether they should introduce sharia for you guys! what's the response of muslims? more hatred of the west!
how are you treated if you're a non-muslim in a muslim country? hatred. (for example: in saudi arabia, the true islamic state, preaching christianity is punishable by death! hahah)
do you need more examples? |
"idiots" - not nice and the Sharia issue was sensationalised in the press. You swallowed it and it sounds as though it got stuck in your throat judging from the way you are huffing and puffing.
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08 Mar 2008 Sat 02:30 am |
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Quoting catwoman: Is this your comment about the current muslim hatred of the west? And we're not talking about muslims in saudi arabia or egypt, we're talking about muslims who live in the west!
If saudi arabia is not a true islamic state, then why are you taking their money and building mosques and hateful islamic schools with it? |
I am not taking their money, so I don't know anything about that....and I don't walk around holding hands with Saudi princes either.
When England was the colonizer they belittled and demeaned the native population, leeched the wealth out of the countries....as did France, Belgium. When those same natives to to Europe and want certain rights, the Europeans moan and say how dare they?
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08 Mar 2008 Sat 03:11 am |
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Quoting alameda:
When England was the colonizer they belittled and demeaned the native population, leeched the wealth out of the countries....as did France, Belgium. When those same natives to to Europe and want certain rights, the Europeans moan and say how dare they? |
+10000
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08 Mar 2008 Sat 03:50 am |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting alameda: First of all, there are many who DO NOT consider Saudi Arabia a true Islamic state.
Another thing is.....for how long did England colonize Eastern countries, leeching riches out of those countries. How many treasures from the East are in British museums? |
Is this your comment about the current muslim hatred of the west? And we're not talking about muslims in saudi arabia or egypt, we're talking about muslims who live in the west!
If saudi arabia is not a true islamic state, then why are you taking their money and building mosques and hateful islamic schools with it? |
Deary me Catwoma, you are generalizing. I know of an Islamic Girl's High School, attached to a Mosque. It is fast becoming a very well respected school and the Head Teacher (Principal) encourages interaction with other local schools.
The Mosque is being rebuilt. I believe some money (for school and mosque) has come from a member of the Royal Family in Saudi. I believe one of the trustees of the school is the Muslim gentleman who is in the British House of Lords . . the one who recently obtained the release of the British teacher who unwittingly allowed children to call a teddy Muhammed.
New Muslims and older Muslim ladies who never had the opportunities before, are welcomed with kindness and grace. Nothing is too much trouble and money is not asked for. I guess donations they receive cover this. The only point I will criticize them for is . . . the bleeping homework! 
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08 Mar 2008 Sat 03:54 am |
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Quoting CANLI: Quoting alameda:
When England was the colonizer they belittled and demeaned the native population, leeched the wealth out of the countries....as did France, Belgium. When those same natives to to Europe and want certain rights, the Europeans moan and say how dare they? |
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Well done Alameda. I made a similar point today on Libra's post about the statue choice in leicester.
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08 Mar 2008 Sat 04:00 am |
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Quoting peace train:
Deary me Catwoma, you are generalizing. I know of an Islamic Girl's High School, attached to a Mosque. It is fast becoming a very well respected school and the Head Teacher (Principal) encourages interaction with other local schools.
The Mosque is being rebuilt. I believe some money (for school and mosque) has come from a member of the Royal Family in Saudi. I believe one of the trustees of the school is the Muslim gentleman who is in the British House of Lords . . the one who recently obtained the release of the British teacher who unwittingly allowed children to call a teddy Muhammed.
New Muslims and older Muslim ladies who never had the opportunities before, are welcomed with kindness and grace. Nothing is too much trouble and money is not asked for. I guess donations they receive cover this. The only point I will criticize them for is . . . the bleeping homework! |
Do you really know what they are learning there?
Do you really know how islam treats woman?
As a woman do you really EXCEPT the secondry role comparing to a man? Dont you have any idea that Sheria does not not go with secularism?
Do they teach darwin there for example? do they teach evolution theory? do they teach other religions?
I have no idea where you are going with your arguments..
You are either very naive or you have no idea what you are talking about?
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08 Mar 2008 Sat 04:19 am |
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Quoting thehandsom:
About reforming Islam.
It is an absolute necessity.
It is not NONSENSE.
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Reforming İslam,or any other religion can be done only by the one who has sent it
So,you cant change in any religion ,lets talk about İslam,you cant actually do it unless ALLAH change it,and send another prophet to change HİS verses in Qur'an
and if we believe that would happen,then we are not muslims,because we believe Mohamed SAV is the last of the prophets.
İf you can REFORM a religion,so why bother from the start and have one ?
You can FORM your own religion by your own rules and not bother to change anything.
But if you BELİEVE...if you are a bliever by any religion,not just İslam,you must accept its rules as it is,you cant actually pick...
İf it doesnt suit you,then you can convert,or stop believing,but religion wont bend with anyone thought and desires,or else what is the point of it ?!
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08 Mar 2008 Sat 04:23 am |
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Quoting thehandsom:
You are either very naive or you have no idea what you are talking about?
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Or you handsom,dont know what you are talking about
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