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The lack of powerful liberal Muslim voices
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07 Mar 2008 Fri 01:25 pm |
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Quoting Daydreamer: I absolutely agree that this world needs loud liberal Muslim voices. Otherwise it is just the fundamentalists who make the bad press for all. I hope that with time this will change. |
Agreed. And those loud liberal Muslim voices will need the trust and support of non muslims as well as muslims. Organizations made up of people from all walks of life need more prominence in order to get the message across to "Joe Public" and diminish the prejudices on both sides.
There are websites out there where Muslims condemn atrocities etc. I have posted them a few times in recent days. I didn't post them as proof alone. They aren't useful in a global sense, unless people actually visit them and interact rather than merely acknowledge their existence.
It's not enough for non Muslims to express their desire for more prominent liberal Muslims. Muslims and non Muslims, the ones we see every day in the streets, in this chat room, need to meet each other half way, stop the inquisitions. See the glass half full not half empty folks. Build something good. From little acorns . . .
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07 Mar 2008 Fri 03:50 pm |
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It doesn't help when you wake up to the news and see that Muslim women at a University in New York is asking the administration to allow only women in the gym for certain hours during the day, based on their religion.
Why can't they blend in to society without having to make such issues... 
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07 Mar 2008 Fri 11:46 pm |
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Quoting teaschip1: It doesn't help when you wake up to the news and see that Muslim women at a University in New York is asking the administration to allow only women in the gym for certain hours during the day, based on their religion.
Why can't they blend in to society without having to make such issues... |
Such a minor issue for the non muslim and such a good opportunity to show empathy and gain trust. There are much worse things to worry about in this world.
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07 Mar 2008 Fri 11:53 pm |
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Quoting teaschip1: It doesn't help when you wake up to the news and see that Muslim women at a University in New York is asking the administration to allow only women in the gym for certain hours during the day, based on their religion.
Why can't they blend in to society without having to make such issues... |
It wasn't that long ago a request of that sort would not have been needed in the USA. The integration of males and females in a single gym is a relativly new situation.
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08 Mar 2008 Sat 12:11 am |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting adonis: Quoting catwoman: Lecture from adonis - much ado about nothing, if they don't agree with you, insult them!  |
flutters from a person who has taken very heavy proofs from clever peoples.  |
mutters from a person who has not said one reasonable thing yet and who has not responded with an argument to an argument yet, only with insults! speaking of hypocricy, canim?  |
lamentations from a kitten. what a pity...
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08 Mar 2008 Sat 12:39 am |
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Quoting peace train: Such a minor issue for the non muslim and such a good opportunity to show empathy and gain trust. There are much worse things to worry about in this world. |
We show empathy enough. Time for them to show some. Enough of demands!
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08 Mar 2008 Sat 01:19 am |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting peace train: Such a minor issue for the non muslim and such a good opportunity to show empathy and gain trust. There are much worse things to worry about in this world. |
We show empathy enough. Time for them to show some. Enough of demands! |
Dear cat,reading your post made me think ...
What did the west do actually for us and you see its enough ?!
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08 Mar 2008 Sat 01:29 am |
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Quoting CANLI: Dear cat,reading your post made me think ...
What did the west do actually for us and you see its enough ?! |
what did the west do for you.... when you're a muslim in the UK, for example, those idiots are even considering whether they should introduce sharia for you guys! what's the response of muslims? more hatred of the west!
how are you treated if you're a non-muslim in a muslim country? hatred. (for example: in saudi arabia, the true islamic state,  preaching christianity is punishable by death! hahah)
do you need more examples?
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08 Mar 2008 Sat 01:36 am |
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Quoting CANLI:
Reforming İslam,changing verses of Qur'an...NONSENSE
My point is...dig in İslam,dig in Quran itself,and get it by proves, that you can be liberal and also you can be a good Muslim
This actually happing too,many İmams qualified and reliable İmams is doing this
İmams that people can trust their knowledge of İslam.
ALLAH told us,HE brought this Qur'an for us to be suitable for all times,
And that is Qur'an miracle.
İ dont say to change the rules 'haşa ALLAH' but to apply them within the spirit on the time we are living in.
Not standing where they were hundreds of years ago.
For example,many,many years ago,after Rasul SAV died by mmm 10 yrs maybe,there was a great,GREAT ruler,who was all Muslims ruler at that time
Anyway,you know that there is rule in İslam to cut the hand of the one who steal
İn that time,Muslims were living in great poverty,they even couldnt find food to eat
So,he cancelled this penalty on those days
So İslam was and is open to flexibility
There are İmamlar who is doing this today also,they dont leave İslam rules and showing people how to live with them also within the current time circumstances
Those imamlar should be heared and have louder voices.
But talking about reforming İslam ?!
FORGET İT ! |
Canli
It is very interesting what you are saying above..
But, lets take only one verse..'cutting hand of the one who steals'
-Am I right to think that it is in Qouran itself which was sent by GOD?
-Are you saying that as a good muslim you will NOT follow what it says?
-If you are free 'to follow or not' on one verse, what about the others?
as an example:
-Can we say that 'women covering their hair' verse is not compatible with the current time?
About reforming Islam.
It is an absolute necessity.
It is not NONSENSE.
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08 Mar 2008 Sat 01:46 am |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting CANLI: Dear cat,reading your post made me think ...
What did the west do actually for us and you see its enough ?! |
what did the west do for you.... when you're a muslim in the UK, for example, those idiots are even considering whether they should introduce sharia for you guys! what's the response of muslims? more hatred of the west!
how are you treated if you're a non-muslim in a muslim country? hatred. (for example: in saudi arabia, the true islamic state, preaching christianity is punishable by death! hahah)
do you need more examples? |
First of all, there are many who DO NOT consider Saudi Arabia a true Islamic state.
Another thing is.....for how long did England colonize Eastern countries, leeching riches out of those countries. How many treasures from the East are in British museums?
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08 Mar 2008 Sat 01:54 am |
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Quoting alameda: First of all, there are many who DO NOT consider Saudi Arabia a true Islamic state.
Another thing is.....for how long did England colonize Eastern countries, leeching riches out of those countries. How many treasures from the East are in British museums? |
Is this your comment about the current muslim hatred of the west? And we're not talking about muslims in saudi arabia or egypt, we're talking about muslims who live in the west!
If saudi arabia is not a true islamic state, then why are you taking their money and building mosques and hateful islamic schools with it?
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