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130.       teaschip
3870 posts
 30 Jul 2008 Wed 04:22 pm

Quoting SuiGeneris:

Quoting AEnigmamagnadea:

Quoting SuiGeneris:

Oh well!! nobody wants to remember where they came from after sometime right?



I think you should be very careful Sui - this is bordering on racism.



The thing is that remembering the past never means of racims canim... i just look what people do.. not where ARE they FROM ok?



I think you better stick with white men can´t jump.

131.       mltm
3690 posts
 30 Jul 2008 Wed 04:26 pm

Quoting AEnigmamagnadea:

Quoting SuiGeneris:


Actually thats a bit because of the Ottomans! At the war times, the Jews and other ethnic societies were not supposed to join army!! So all Ottomen died and all economy remaied to Jews etc...





This is the funniest thing I read in ages. Please tell me it is a joke!



Indeed it´s true. Just he failed to explain it better.

132.       SuiGeneris
3922 posts
 30 Jul 2008 Wed 04:30 pm

Quoting teaschip:

Quoting SuiGeneris:


The thing is that remembering the past never means of racims canim... i just look what people do.. not where ARE they FROM ok?



I think you better stick with white men can´t jump.



oh my saviour is on the job again! how sweet!!

133.       SuiGeneris
3922 posts
 30 Jul 2008 Wed 04:33 pm

Quoting mltm:


Indeed it´s true. Just he failed to explain it better.


oh dear God! thats the simplest and basic explanation

134.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 30 Jul 2008 Wed 04:41 pm

Quoting mltm:

Quoting AEnigmamagnadea:

Quoting SuiGeneris:


Actually thats a bit because of the Ottomans! At the war times, the Jews and other ethnic societies were not supposed to join army!! So all Ottomen died and all economy remaied to Jews etc...





This is the funniest thing I read in ages. Please tell me it is a joke!



Indeed it´s true. Just he failed to explain it better.


Well..
I am not entirely sure if it is a correct statement.
If you are taking the history as last 90 years of us, It is correct..Because during the independence war, there were not ethnic diversities in the army (apart from Kurds!)
But before that, until 17th century the entire ottoman army was made of devsirmes. So they were not turks or ottomans ethnically.
But after replacing the janissaries with the new army, the army contained all the ethnic people in ottomans.
As far as the jews and others like greeks , ermenians and their contribution to the economy is concerned, it is a different ball game..
They were always prominent since the fall of Istanbul..
Ottoman economy was dependant on them..
They almost run the economy

135.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 30 Jul 2008 Wed 04:47 pm

Quoting mltm:

Quoting Daydreamer:

So why did people bother to fight against that? Why was it proven bullsh*t that colour or ethnicity constitute inequalities? Now if you believe men and women are not equal biologically (please notice I said equal not the same) do you believe black people should dance and play basketball rather than be managers? Do you believe that Jews make good pawn-shop owners?



Are you saying that black and white men are different as much as women and men are different? Then, this is really racist.



Actually I stated exactly the opposite - different racial, ethnic and/or gender backgrounds do NOT justify inequality. I just pointed out what was considered to justify discrimination in the past - and there was "scientific" evidence for that. It was proven wrong, hopefully so will gender inequality that some people promote be

136.       doudi94
845 posts
 30 Jul 2008 Wed 07:46 pm

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting alameda:

..nill!!!


Alameda..
I think you dont really know what you are talking here..
But let me tell you what I was talking about:
I was talking about the women who never had your type of up bringing here.. I was talking about women their life almost entirely spent in their home and the streets they live..
I was talking about the women who never had a chance or financial luxuries you had.
Those women some times live like a cattle..
Those women were never asked what they think. Those women wait for their husbands´ good time to ask for money.
Those women sometimes sulk to their husbands in order to let them buy some new clothes from cheap shops.
The women I am talking about were never asked if they wanted to work or if they wanted to stay at home..
They are assumed to stay at home by ´default´..
They are the prisoners in their home..
Have you ever spent your years in your home ONLY alameda? Have you tried it?
If you have, you must have noticed how brain dead you get in a couple of years..

And and..Do you know that one of these women I know very closely is my mother? and I know my mother Alameda..
I was talking about her here too..

And you dare to lecture me about the women like my mom..eh?

How shallow you are!!

And you are lecturing me about beauties of my country?
How dare you?
You know nothing about my countries beauties.
You are blinded by your belief which is partly/mostly to blame about those women´s wasted lives.

Guess what? you KNOW nothing about these women either..
You are a disgrace to the women I am talking about.



wowww.....that really touched me.......

137.       doudi94
845 posts
 30 Jul 2008 Wed 07:49 pm

Quoting Daydreamer:

Really I have no idea if I should start laughing or crying reading the above posts. Women and men differ so they can´t work equally - what a load of nonsense - the only difference between sexes is reproductive system and, unless you want to work in a gay porn business or become a surrogate mother, there are no obstacles by the virtue of sex only! It is the upbringing that results in what you associate with differences. And a lot of people made lots of money on ideas similar to Alameda´s - guys who feel so threatened by the idea that women and men are equal and should have equal rights and choices have published tones on semi-scientific books that claim women are incapable of making their own decisions, can´t cope with stress as successfully as men etc. Too bad they made women believe in that. Is there a better proof of how to enslave women than to have women praising the slavery and calling it free choice?

Free choice means being able to decide - career/staying at home/both. Nobody looks down on women who decided to stay at home and raise children. It is the people that claim it is a better choice for a woman than to have a career that should be looked down upon. There are no better or worse choices, we have examples of well-raised children in all kinds of families - those with a working mother and those with a mother that stays at home. Also, we have lots of examples of things gone wrong in those two types of families.

Also, I don´t really understand the argument that it is the woman that should stay with children since she´s the one who bore them. What does one have to do with another? Both parents were at the conception, they are often both present at birth, at which point does it get obvious that women are predestined to bring up children?

I loved the point about the older generation dying together with their sexist and discriminatory ideas they were raised with. Hope my child will not have to listen to such nonsense.



SO TRUE!!!!! RIGHT ON~!~!

138.       doudi94
845 posts
 30 Jul 2008 Wed 07:53 pm

Quoting mltm:

I´m not on any side. Rather I want to show you the dilemma.

The main drawback for woman in the modern world is giving birth to a child, being mother.
The woman´s body has been designed to be a mother, to care for the children, not just uterus, but with all the motherhood hormones. So, I find the claim that a father can equally raise up a child a bit weak.
The mother-to-be cannot do the same job when she gets pregnant. Forexample, me, I won´t be able to work in the chemistry lab if I get pregnant. So, maybe I have to change all my career plans, I won´t be considered for some projects, I´ll be discriminated.
Or, you cannot do the same heavy job, you cannot lift stuff etc that man can do either. And after you give birth, you need to rest. And you have to breastfeed your child, there are some who even advice to breastfeed till 3 years old. Can a man breastfeed?

Could you claim that a father can equally raise up a child till the age of 3-4 the way a mother raises up? It´s not about knowing how to cook and feed. The baby have developped in the mother´s womb, and he has special attachment to his mother.

So, in my opinion, it was not for nothing, if for thousands of years woman stayed at home and cared for the children. Now, the time has changed, and woman can work as well, and has to earn her own money, but before we attack the traditional opinions, we have to ask why it has been so, and what will be the consequences if we totally refuse the traditional family structure.



another point of view that is so correct and i think its the one i agree with most here!

139.       zhang ziyi
205 posts
 30 Jul 2008 Wed 09:21 pm

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140.       zhang ziyi
205 posts
 30 Jul 2008 Wed 09:24 pm

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