Quoting AEnigmamagnadea:

You and Alameda are glamourising "middle class values" which never existed in the lower and upper classes and were a hypocracy. Your middle class values bred back street abortionists, complete ostricising of family members and putting "what people think" before your own family.

Quoting thehandsom:

Look, there is a simple logic here:
If a woman does not work she wont be as independant as a man.
if a man desire a type of woman who will be a house wife only, he is not strong enough handle the other type of woman and not prepared for the equality.

Quoting alameda:

Well did you get your frustration out now handsom? Do you feel better? Do you feel more manly now insulting me in this way? You have no idea of what I´ve seen or what I know. I´m sure your sycophants will cheer you on.

If you want to talk about your mother and the women in your family and village, talk about them, instead of abstracts. If you talk in the abstract, I reply in the abstract (from what I know, which you do not know.)

I believe the purpose of a discussion is to come to some sort of understanding. Insulting, demeaning and abusive behavior does not help.

No place in any of my comments did I claim women did not have the right to their own funds, education or the right to work. You evidently read things I did not write into what I wrote.

Quoting pansi:

the fact is that turkish women and average american or europian women are DİFFERENT.we cannot except the way how they live and think with our own experience and try to heal society with - "you need to live like i think because it is better".always will be women who will want work and always will be who will want spent time at home.there is also many things what seems strange for me, but for this society it is normal - as sitting at home and asking money from husband, as growing their kids at home not leaving them to stranger care,as role distribution in family.

Quoting girleegirl:

Calling it normal does not make it right. In ancient times gladiators were thrown into an arena and forced to fight to the death…..would that still be acceptable in these days? No! Times change….unfortunately, women’s rights is one of the areas in which it is still creeping along and you know why? Because men still hold the balance of power and because some women think its ok because its “normal”.

Quoting pansi:

why woman who drive with car after accident ask man to fix it?
i am not talking about rights but about understanding - in different times and different countries are different understanding about things.it was in history different and now it is different.İ am not calling normal so many things in nova days - such popindustry with teenage stars,who is popularize parties and one night stands, drugs,violence in tv,teenage alcoholism, animal killing just for new clothes ,running to get more money for buying things what we actually dont need, just to be equialent with our neighboud and friends, etc. but they are part of modern society.then why to call society who are living like this so many centuries wrong?they understanding are different and they are not complaining.İ cannot agree with all things what happening in Turkey but i can accept that they are living like this and i dont have any rigths to change them.

Quoting girleegirl:

I really have no clue what you are trying to say with your stereotypical “car accident” comment and your treatise on the pop industry but according to your way of thinking the people of the world should turn a blind eye to human rights issues because we just need to understand differences in culture? Sorry, that’s just wrong.

Quoting pansi:

i meant that women are brave and on the same level when everyhting is perfect but in the end they still need men advice.

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do you really think that if sending women who doesnt have any work experience and knowledge to work will heal society and make them more statisfied about their life?