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Two thirds of young women in Turkey sit at home
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29 Jul 2008 Tue 10:14 pm |
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Quoting Elisabeth: I was lucky enough to have extended family to stay with my son, so no daycare was needed. I can´t tell you what my choice would have been if I didn´t have that option. My feeling is that I probably would have chosen career over having a family. I can´t say I am crazy about the idea of daycare either, although that is my personal feeling. I know there is plenty of research that says daycare children do just fine.
Women are still struggling to reach workplace equality....you are definately right. But I think they are still struggling because many of us have to choose between working extra hours to get ahead or go home and take care of family, cook dinner....that kind of thing. What are your thoughts? |
I remember being taken care of by my grandparents. Both sides of my family were tailors. I would sit with my grandmother for hours while my parents were out working. It was so sweet. She taught me so much, so many useful skills that have been valuable through out my life. Sometimes cousins would also be there and my aunts and uncles would drop by as well.
She had a beautiful salon where her clients would visit. It had divans, books of fashion and a large ornate mirror. I thought I was helping, but in retrospect, I was probably more entertainment than help, but it did teach a great deal about fitting different body types and customer care.
I also learned valuable hand eye coordination as she taught me how to crochet, do the back stitch, running stitch, slip stitch and many others, as well as how to weave....and no, she didn´t teach me these skills to exploit my small hands, but rather than having toys to entertain me she taught me valuable skills.
I used to sit on the back of her chair while she worked and comb her hair and massage her neck. I played with the little pieces of left over fabric and made things out of them. Later on in life those skills fed me as I worked making costumes for Broadway shows and dancers of different types.
The skills she taught me were the most valuable ones I had. I worked on dresses for Merrill Streep, Rosie Perez, Hillary Clinton as well as Tony award winning Broadway shows like Beauty and the Beast, Crazy for You and others.
Memories of her very large garden are sweet and to this day, I still have a garden where I harvest beans, chard and a whole aray of wonderful produce. It was from the closeness with my grandparents that taught me so many of the skills I use every day. How sad it would have been if if I´d been sent to a daycare center. What would I have learned?....and most of all, would I have felt really loved and cared for?
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29 Jul 2008 Tue 10:34 pm |
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What a wonderful thing that your parents were ABLE to leave you in the care of your grandparents while they worked. Clearly this is not an option for everyone. Still, you were still left in the care of someone else, not your mother. Had your grandparents not been around, where would you have gone?
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29 Jul 2008 Tue 10:42 pm |
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Quoting alameda: I remember blah blah... |
Your posts must make you terribly popular with the boys! I can just imagine the PMs...."you are SO right Alameda, a woman´s job is to stay at home, cook and take care of the children. Porn is something we just don´t talk about, but is perfectly understandable for those poor weak-willed men and prostitutes are a necessity and those girls make plenty of money and perform a good service" 
I am desperately trying to work out which one of the Waltons you are? Don´t tell me..... Mary Ellen!!! No wait! Elisabeth? 
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29 Jul 2008 Tue 10:45 pm |
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.....hmmm....John Boy? 
Or....oh god.....Jim Bob? 
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29 Jul 2008 Tue 10:50 pm |
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...but it is never the Walton girls who have babies without father´s and depend on government handouts only to then raise children without morals, self asteem or work ethic.
We could a few more Mary Ellen´s....
She was hot in her own way too!!!
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29 Jul 2008 Tue 10:51 pm |
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Quoting AEnigmamagnadea: .....hmmm....John Boy?
Or....oh god.....Jim Bob? |
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO............She´s Grandma Esther!!!!!
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29 Jul 2008 Tue 10:56 pm |
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Quoting KeithL: ...but it is never the Walton girls who have babies without father´s and depend on government handouts only to then raise children without morals, self asteem or work ethic.
We could a few more Mary Ellen´s....
She was hot in her own way too!!! |
I think you are talking about several very different topics here Keith. With regarding to "having babies without fathers"...excuse me but since when did women have babies without them?! Contraception is another matter, and it takes TWO TO TANGO!!!
Single parenting is completely another matter. I can find you many examples of children who grew up in an age when being a single parent was socially unacceptable. The result? Couples are forced to marry and family life and childhood is absolute hell.
Work ethic? Since when did that become the priviledge of the legitimate child?
You and Alameda are glamourising "middle class values" which never existed in the lower and upper classes and were a hypocracy. Your middle class values bred back street abortionists, complete ostricising of family members and putting "what people think" before your own family.
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29 Jul 2008 Tue 11:00 pm |
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I think attacking women who stay home with their kids and sacrafice their careers is just as wrong as the exploitation of women in the worforce or in the sex trades.
Using the Waltons as an example I just dont understand. By western standards, they were the ultimate nuclear family.
I actually would be proud to be compared to a family structure such as the Waltons.
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29 Jul 2008 Tue 11:03 pm |
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Quoting KeithL: I think attacking women who stay home with their kids and sacrafice their careers is just as wrong as the exploitation of women in the worforce or in the sex trades.
Using the Waltons as an example I just dont understand. By western standards, they were the ultimate nuclear family.
I actually would be proud to be compared to a family structure such as the Waltons. |
Nobody is attacking women who stay at home with their kids Keith! But please give us the right to CHOOSE!!!
Shall we start attacking MEN who do not stay at home with their children next?
The Waltons? Oh please!..... 
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29 Jul 2008 Tue 11:05 pm |
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Quoting AEnigmamagnadea: Quoting alameda: I remember blah blah... |
Your posts must make you terribly popular with the boys! I can just imagine the PMs...."you are SO right Alameda, a woman´s job is to stay at home, cook and take care of the children. Porn is something we just don´t talk about, but is perfectly understandable for those poor weak-willed men and prostitutes are a necessity and those girls make plenty of money and perform a good service"
I am desperately trying to work out which one of the Waltons you are? Don´t tell me..... Mary Ellen!!! No wait! Elisabeth? |
hey leave porn out of this
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