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Two thirds of young women in Turkey sit at home
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30 Jul 2008 Wed 12:21 am |
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Quoting AEnigmamagnadea: Quoting Elisabeth: Ros...there is no telling what road these posts will lead us down.  |
NO NO NO! Not the Yellow Brick Road now? 
The tin man?  |
Personally, I thought the scarecrow was a little sexy. 
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30 Jul 2008 Wed 12:35 am |
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Quoting AEnigmamagnadea:
excuse me but since when did women have babies without them?!
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You suprise me................ Since you can buy sperm on the internet or get from a sperm bank and insert it using a chicken baster! More like League of Gentlemen than the Waltons.............. the child that is
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30 Jul 2008 Wed 01:01 am |
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Quoting libralady: Quoting AEnigmamagnadea:
excuse me but since when did women have babies without them?!
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You suprise me................ Since you can buy sperm on the internet or get from a sperm bank and insert it using a chicken baster! More like League of Gentlemen than the Waltons.............. the child that is |
What´s this sperm bank business? You pay the hotel bill i´ll come do it for you  This is a local site for local doners, we don´t want any ´no tails´ here´
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30 Jul 2008 Wed 01:48 am |
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Quoting alameda: ..nill!!!
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Alameda..
I think you dont really know what you are talking here..
But let me tell you what I was talking about:
I was talking about the women who never had your type of up bringing here.. I was talking about women their life almost entirely spent in their home and the streets they live..
I was talking about the women who never had a chance or financial luxuries you had.
Those women some times live like a cattle..
Those women were never asked what they think. Those women wait for their husbands´ good time to ask for money.
Those women sometimes sulk to their husbands in order to let them buy some new clothes from cheap shops.
The women I am talking about were never asked if they wanted to work or if they wanted to stay at home..
They are assumed to stay at home by ´default´..
They are the prisoners in their home..
Have you ever spent your years in your home ONLY alameda? Have you tried it?
If you have, you must have noticed how brain dead you get in a couple of years..
And and..Do you know that one of these women I know very closely is my mother? and I know my mother Alameda..
I was talking about her here too..
And you dare to lecture me about the women like my mom..eh?
How shallow you are!!
And you are lecturing me about beauties of my country?
How dare you?
You know nothing about my countries beauties.
You are blinded by your belief which is partly/mostly to blame about those women´s wasted lives.
Guess what? you KNOW nothing about these women either..
You are a disgrace to the women I am talking about.
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30 Jul 2008 Wed 02:07 am |
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Quoting thehandsom: Quoting alameda: ..nill!!!
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And and..Do you know that one of these women I know very closely is my mother? and I know my mother Alameda..
I was talking about her here too..
And you dare to lecture me about the women like my mom..eh?
How shallow you are!!
And you are lecturing me about beauties of my country?
How dare you?
You know nothing about my countries beauties.
You are blinded by your belief which is partly/mostly to blame about those women´s wasted lives.
Guess what? you KNOW nothing about these women either..
You are a disgrace to the women I am talking about.
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Well did you get your frustration out now handsom? Do you feel better? Do you feel more manly now insulting me in this way? You have no idea of what I´ve seen or what I know. I´m sure your sycophants will cheer you on.
If you want to talk about your mother and the women in your family and village, talk about them, instead of abstracts. If you talk in the abstract, I reply in the abstract (from what I know, which you do not know.)
I believe the purpose of a discussion is to come to some sort of understanding. Insulting, demeaning and abusive behavior does not help.
No place in any of my comments did I claim women did not have the right to their own funds, education or the right to work. You evidently read things I did not write into what I wrote.
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30 Jul 2008 Wed 02:13 am |
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Quoting alameda:
Well did you get your frustration out now handsom? Do you feel better? Do you feel more manly now insulting me in this way? You have no idea of what I´ve seen or what I know. I´m sure your sycophants will cheer you on.
If you want to talk about your mother and the women in your family and village, talk about them, instead of abstracts. If you talk in the abstract, I reply in the abstract (from what I know, which you do not know.)
I believe the purpose of a discussion is to come to some sort of understanding. Insulting, demeaning and abusive behavior does not help.
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Alameda...
I did not live in a village..
I lived in Istanbul!!
I am talking about the real people here..Real women..
I dont know what you have seen..
What I know is that where I grew up and where I lived..
And those women were all around me!!.
And you were lecturing me about how these women should be happy what they are..
Well they are NOT..
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30 Jul 2008 Wed 02:29 am |
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Quoting thehandsom: Alameda..
I think you dont really know what you are talking here..
But let me tell you what I was talking about:
I was talking about the women who never had your type of up bringing here.. I was talking about women their life almost entirely spent in their home and the streets they live..
I was talking about the women who never had a chance or financial luxuries you had.
Those women some times live like a cattle..
Those women were never asked what they think. Those women wait for their husbands´ good time to ask for money.
Those women sometimes sulk to their husbands in order to let them buy some new clothes from cheap shops.
The women I am talking about were never asked if they wanted to work or if they wanted to stay at home..
They are assumed to stay at home by ´default´..
They are the prisoners in their home..
Have you ever spent your years in your home ONLY alameda? Have you tried it?
If you have, you must have noticed how brain dead you get in a couple of years..
And and..Do you know that one of these women I know very closely is my mother? and I know my mother Alameda..
I was talking about her here too..
And you dare to lecture me about the women like my mom..eh?
How shallow you are!!
And you are lecturing me about beauties of my country?
How dare you?
You know nothing about my countries beauties.
You are blinded by your belief which is partly/mostly to blame about those women´s wasted lives.
Guess what? you KNOW nothing about these women either..
You are a disgrace to the women I am talking about.
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30 Jul 2008 Wed 02:36 am |
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And for the men who think that they are traditionalists..
If staying at home and running the house and looking after the childeren should be done one of the parents, why do they think it should be the women who stay at home?
Why dont they resign and do that glamoures job themselves and taste the happiness of years after years cleaning, cooking and looking after childeren?
Look, there is a simple logic here:
If a woman does not work she wont be as independant as a man.
if a man desire a type of woman who will be a house wife only, he is not strong enough handle the other type of woman and not prepared for the equality.
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30 Jul 2008 Wed 02:38 am |
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Quoting thehandsom: Quoting alameda:
Well did you get your frustration out now handsom? Do you feel better? Do you feel more manly now insulting me in this way? You have no idea of what I´ve seen or what I know. I´m sure your sycophants will cheer you on.
If you want to talk about your mother and the women in your family and village, talk about them, instead of abstracts. If you talk in the abstract, I reply in the abstract (from what I know, which you do not know.)
I believe the purpose of a discussion is to come to some sort of understanding. Insulting, demeaning and abusive behavior does not help.
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Alameda...
I did not live in a village..
I lived in Istanbul!!
I am talking about the real people here..Real women..
I dont know what you have seen..
What I know is that where I grew..And those women were all around me..
And you were lecturing me about how these women should be happy what they are..
Well they are NOT..
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Handsom, most people are not happy with their lot, it´s human nature.
I was not lecturing you about your mother, you did not mention your mother.... I was/am talking in the abstract.
Your mother is lucky to have a son who is so passionate and concerned about her well being, and the well being of all women. What I am saying is look at what you have very carefully. Remember, gold is often hidden in mud. Don´t throw away the gold....learn from the mistakes made in the West and make something better.
For your information, I know many many Turkish women and have known them for years. Some are well educated, some are not.....some have good lives....some do not.
Let me make some things clear for you.
No woman should have to ask for money if she stays at home, she should be compensated for that, no if ands or but...she deserves to be compensated.
If she doesn´t want to stay at home, she should be able to go out.
Needless to say, no female should be wed without her express consent and there should be no coersion to get her consent.
If she wants to be educated, she should be educated. In fact all people should have mandatory education. If they want to go to higher learning, it should be available.
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30 Jul 2008 Wed 03:12 am |
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Quoting AEnigmamagnadea:
You and Alameda are glamourising "middle class values" which never existed in the lower and upper classes and were a hypocracy. Your middle class values bred back street abortionists, complete ostricising of family members and putting "what people think" before your own family. |
Perfect!!
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30 Jul 2008 Wed 05:53 am |
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Quoting AEnigmamagnadea: You and Alameda are glamourising "middle class values" which never existed in the lower and upper classes and were a hypocracy. Your middle class values bred back street abortionists, complete ostricising of family members and putting "what people think" before your own family. |
By any definition, I grew up lower class economically. Right and wrong is not defined by dollar signs. I will always think exactly the way I thought when I was the oldest child of an immigrant family no matter how much money I have. If values don´t exist than my whole life is a hypocracy...
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