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30 Jul 2008 Wed 12:53 pm |
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So anyone who believes in God is simple-minded?
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30 Jul 2008 Wed 12:59 pm |
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Quote: Quoting thehandsom:
Do you want me to tell you one thing handsome? Not me, God was sexist when he created man and woman. |
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Meltem..sorry to shutter your platform you are standing but there is no scientific evidence so far that ´God ever existed´ |
God stands for anything here for me handsome, you can think it like a natural power, or any form of power which made woman and man sexes appear.
Or evolution if you want life evolved towards different sexes in human, so what I want to say is that it was sexist from the start.
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30 Jul 2008 Wed 01:15 pm |
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From the start also, mankind was faced with genetic aberrations and illnesses. It doesn´t mean we aren´t trying to fight them these days. In the past Nazis claimed Jews were not equally human and we all have heard of racists´ arguments providing evidence that colour people are not equal too. That´s the way God, a Gigantic Fart from a Space Goat, Mother Nature or whatever you believe to be the origin of things created them. So why did people bother to fight against that? Why was it proven bullsh*t that colour or ethnicity constitute inequalities? Now if you believe men and women are not equal biologically (please notice I said equal not the same) do you believe black people should dance and play basketball rather than be managers? Do you believe that Jews make good pawn-shop owners?
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30 Jul 2008 Wed 01:30 pm |
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Quoting KeithL: So anyone who believes in God is simple-minded? |
I dont think you can come to that conclusion from what I wrote here..
But I can clearly say that the question itself is a bit simple-minded!
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30 Jul 2008 Wed 02:40 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom:
Traditional values and all those blah blahs after that is pure hypocrisy ..Because leaving your job, breaking of your career, spending day after day, years after years at home trying to raise children is more difficult than occasional cooking..
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It´s not all blah blah. It´s just that we have to see all. In order to defend women rights, you don´t have to defend them blindly. Fanaticism in everyway is not very healthy.
It has become a classic tactic in debates but if you were a modern woman, you would understand better maybe, whether making decisions between your career plans and baby plans were bullshit or not. In normal conditions, a "normal" woman would want to become a mother at a time in her life, not because of social pressures, or patriarchal society etc but purely because of her nature. Once you decide to be a mother, you see that it does not get along with your career plans and work as well as the men who decide to be a father. You face choices, sacrifices. You think that you do not need to make any sacrifice as a mother? And these sacrifices make you discriminated, and I guess in a normal way because if you seek for complete equality with men and women in work environment, then it´s normal not to be treated differently and to receive any extra toleration for your pregnancy and breastfeeding or because any of your womanly condition.
Breast-feeding is essential for at least 6 month olds and recommended at least for 12 months. What if you want to prefer the healthiness of your baby to your career? Do fathers have to go through all this? She has to express her milk every 2-3 hours a day. So, she would be dicriminated in the work place, she won´t be sent to long meettings, job travels etc.
an article :
boob job: the working mother´s breastfeeding dilemma
As I said, I just want to point out the modern woman´s dilemma.
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30 Jul 2008 Wed 03:17 pm |
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Quoting Daydreamer: From the start also, mankind was faced with genetic aberrations and illnesses. It doesn´t mean we aren´t trying to fight them these days. In the past Nazis claimed Jews were not equally human and we all have heard of racists´ arguments providing evidence that colour people are not equal too. That´s the way God, a Gigantic Fart from a Space Goat, Mother Nature or whatever you believe to be the origin of things created them. So why did people bother to fight against that? Why was it proven bullsh*t that colour or ethnicity constitute inequalities? Now if you believe men and women are not equal biologically (please notice I said equal not the same) do you believe black people should dance and play basketball rather than be managers? Do you believe that Jews make good pawn-shop owners? |
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30 Jul 2008 Wed 03:26 pm |
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Quoting KeithL: I think thehansome may also need to spend some time at "The Biology Class" Website.
Yes, whether you believe in God or not,(another choice that you are ridiculing by the way), men and women do have different bilogical and chemical makeups. |
Keith you have strange ideas about what constitutes "ridiculing". It is FACT that God has not been proven to exist - I see no ridicule in thehandsom´s post. Don´t worry though, I am sure Alameda will be along very soon with a link to an online dictionary with a definition of "ridiculing" for us all. (Incidently THAT was ridiculing!).
Nobody is disputing men and women are biologically different as far as their reproductive organs go 
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30 Jul 2008 Wed 03:34 pm |
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Quoting mltm: I´m not on any side. Rather I want to show you the dilemma.
The main drawback for woman in the modern world is giving birth to a child, being mother.
The woman´s body has been designed to be a mother, to care for the children, not just uterus, but with all the motherhood hormones. So, I find the claim that a father can equally raise up a child a bit weak.
The mother-to-be cannot do the same job when she gets pregnant. Forexample, me, I won´t be able to work in the chemistry lab if I get pregnant. So, maybe I have to change all my career plans, I won´t be considered for some projects, I´ll be discriminated.
Or, you cannot do the same heavy job, you cannot lift stuff etc that man can do either. And after you give birth, you need to rest. And you have to breastfeed your child, there are some who even advice to breastfeed till 3 years old. Can a man breastfeed?
Could you claim that a father can equally raise up a child till the age of 3-4 the way a mother raises up? It´s not about knowing how to cook and feed. The baby have developped in the mother´s womb, and he has special attachment to his mother.
So, in my opinion, it was not for nothing, if for thousands of years woman stayed at home and cared for the children. Now, the time has changed, and woman can work as well, and has to earn her own money, but before we attack the traditional opinions, we have to ask why it has been so, and what will be the consequences if we totally refuse the traditional family structure. |
I like your long analogy! I am old fashioned in the respect of bringing up children, and more than anything I would never let anyone bring my children up. My husband hardly knew which end of the child was which, let alone be responsible for them all day!
This is an arguement that will roll on and on, view points differ and thank goodness they do. We cannot all agree and we are not all right. The most important thing is that you are happy with your lot, and you should have the freedom (man or woman) to make the choices in life that you want, without being condemmed for those decisions. In addition, people should not be condemmed for their viewpoints either.
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30 Jul 2008 Wed 03:35 pm |
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Quoting Daydreamer: So why did people bother to fight against that? Why was it proven bullsh*t that colour or ethnicity constitute inequalities? Now if you believe men and women are not equal biologically (please notice I said equal not the same) do you believe black people should dance and play basketball rather than be managers? Do you believe that Jews make good pawn-shop owners? |
Are you saying that black and white men are different as much as women and men are different? Then, this is really racist.
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30 Jul 2008 Wed 03:38 pm |
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Quoting mltm: Quoting Daydreamer: So why did people bother to fight against that? Why was it proven bullsh*t that colour or ethnicity constitute inequalities? Now if you believe men and women are not equal biologically (please notice I said equal not the same) do you believe black people should dance and play basketball rather than be managers? Do you believe that Jews make good pawn-shop owners? |
Are you saying that black and white men are different as much as women and men are different? Then, this is really racist. |
Thats true!!! White Men Can´t Jump!!!!
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30 Jul 2008 Wed 04:05 pm |
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Quoting SuiGeneris: Quoting mltm: Quoting Daydreamer: So why did people bother to fight against that? Why was it proven bullsh*t that colour or ethnicity constitute inequalities? Now if you believe men and women are not equal biologically (please notice I said equal not the same) do you believe black people should dance and play basketball rather than be managers? Do you believe that Jews make good pawn-shop owners? |
Are you saying that black and white men are different as much as women and men are different? Then, this is really racist. |
Thats true!!! White Men Can´t Jump!!!! |
It is true! Black men make better basketball players and Jews make great jewerly shop owners. What´s wrong with that?
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