Merhaba! iyi akþamlar! ´alabýlýr miyim´ -Can I take, have, more polite than ´istiyorum´ I want-deðil mu?

But how is alabýlýr constructed? the root is ´almak´ but how is the suffix worked out?

Thank you!

BB

 The present simple of ´almak´ would be ´alýrým´   I take

The ´can´ part is ´abil´ which is added after the verb stem.    al-abil-irim=alabilirim=I can take

To make the question change the personal ending ´im´ to the question ending ´miyim´

alabilir  miyim? ´can I take?´

I hope this helps.

Harika!

Thank you so much.

BB

well, actually it is not "abýl", it is can do, and able to do suffix verb root + bilmek

so it is done like

for example:

al + a (this is to link to verbs) + bilir +im

al + a + bilir + sin

al + a + bilir

al + a + bilir + iz

al + a + bilir + siniz

al + a + bilir +ler

the vowel that links the two verb is according to the phonetics vowel harmony, the rest will always be the same as it is a seperate verb.

when you make it interrogation:

al + a + bilir + mi (inter. suffix) + y (connecting) + im? alabilir miyim?

al + a + bilir + mi + sin?  alabilir misin?

and another thing, present continuous is:

alýyorum

simple present is:

alýrým

By the way, the "bilmek" can or able to do suffix is also know as

-ebilmek, -abilmek, because you always add the a or a.

Hello everybody, please I have a quesion, maybe someone can explain to me.

I have a turkish sentence: Gazeteyi okuduktan sonra kahvaltý ettim. (after having read the newspaper i ate breakfast).

If i write Gazeteyi okuyup kahvaltý ettim - it would be the same meaning, right? Or if it´s different, please tell me what´s the difference.

Thanks a lot

 I am also just learning so wait for someone who is more expert than me

but i belive the first sentence reads as you said, after reading the paper I made breakfast.  Gazeteyi okuduktan sonra kahvaltý ettim.

I think the second sentence reads I read the paper and I made  breakfast.Gazeteyi okuyup kahvaltý ettim

its think its the dikten sonra that gives the meaning of after.

"gazeteyi okuduktan sonra" is after reading the newspaper

"gazeteyi okuyup" is having read the newspaper.

No difference.  You can use both. 

 I stand corrected.....lol

thanks Merih

not at all... you did right..

Kahvaltý ettim surely means I was breakfast - shouldn´t it be kahvaltý yaptým´?

Hi, you can use both in Turkish for I had breakfast:

kahvaltý etmek, kahvaltý yapmak..

both can be used, no difference

thanks for explanation

Not at all..

 There is a really good explanation of how to use the ´ip´ suffix here

This is how my grammar book explains it.

 Mine too!  I find all these conflicting explanations very confusing! 

In the turkish language book of Michel Bozdemir. The suffixes are given like this:

"-(y)ebil/-(y)abil

görmek görebilmek

konuþmak konuþabilmek

-negation is exprimed by -(y)eme/-(y)ama

yapamamak

gidememek"

However, since turkish is an agglutinante language, it is not wrong to think that the suffixes are -e/-a + bil and -e/-a + me,ma but useless I think. 

Please don´t think complicated.  whatever this books says is wrong about present continous.. because as the name of the tense says, it is a continuing action.  Like at the moment I am writing to you.. so how do I say in Turkish?

Sana yazýyorum.

When you say yazarým, then it is like.. everyday I write 2 pages. "her gün iki sayfa yazý yazarým".. So anything which consist -yor is like -ing in English...

The second thing, if you think of can / able to as not only ebil / abil, then it is easy, because when we want to say "to be able to read" in turkish, we say "okuyabilmek"..  And Sonunda, I don´t know if you kept on writing "abýl" on purpose, or just a misspelling, but with this form, it is always abil, ebil not with the "ý".

If anything bothers you, please go ahead and I will try to help out.

 That would be kahvaltýydým

I was breakfast is "kahvaltýydým", kahvaltý ettim (if you check your dictionay for etmek) is to do breakfast.

So Gümüþ was right, I was wrong (stupid mistake now I think about it - thank you Gümüs) - and I stýll remember what you told me thýs mornýng about kahvaltý ettim.

Are you sure about that? Can you show us some resources?

 I dont think that is correct. I have some grammarbooks that are used at turkish universities, and they state otherwise. Furthermore, if you debate that it is not ebil as a suffix but bilmek as the verb being used to describe ´ability´, then consequently ´not being able to´, should also be ´bilmemek´, which is not the case.

Gidebilirim.

Gidebilmem. which is not the case, it is Gidemem.

Gidebilir miyim? Gidemezsin, then should be:

Gidebilir miyim? Gidebilmezsin.

I stand to see ebil-abil as suffixes that are added inside a verb, but for learners it can be easy (and logic) to think of it as just adding the verb bilmek after the verb stam+e/a. But I dont think that is grammatically a correct way of approaching it. Anyway, it is just a matter of ´technicalities´

Is there a difference between kahvaltý yapmak and kahvaltý etmek? The last one surely only means for one to have breakfast, but can the first also mean to prepare breakfast, as in kahvaltýyý hazýrlamak?

For exmaple:

Uyan, kalk! Kahvaltýyý hazýrladým! - Wake up, get up! I prepared breakfast!

Could you also say:

Uyan, kalk! Ben sana kahvaltý yaptým

Or would that be wrong? I just wondered after reading these, because personally I say ´kahvaltýyý hazýrladým´ and ´kahvaltý ettim´, I dont use yapmak really...

A Turkish friend told  me to use kahvaltý yapmak for both preparýng breakfast and havýng/eating breakfast.  But then people use different expressions all the time - I suppose there are many ways of saying this, just as they are in English and I would imagine in Dutch too!

I don´t think that is the point. "Gidebilmem" sounds like Azeri Turkish accent;

yapabilmirem > yapamýyorum/yapamam

That may be right as origins but I have never read/heard it.

In my opinion:

to have a breakfast: kahvaltý yapmak or [kahvaltý etmek (from TDK Dictionary)]

to prepare a breakfast: kahvaltý hazýrlamak

*I prepared a breakfast for you.

*sana kahvaltý yaptým is incorrect but "sana kahvaltý hazýrladým" is correct.

 Thanks Seyit - maybe I misunderstood - it was because I said ´kahvaltý yedim´ and he said this was wrong and it should be ´yaptým´ but I always thought ´kahvaltý yapmak´ was ´to make breakfast´.  Now I know better but I think I will just put the plate in front of my husband and say ´Buyurun!´  - much simpler!!

 I already corrected as -ebilmek and -abilmek. 

Now please check below from the site http://www.edebiyatogretmeni.net/fiiller.htm

It is called Yeterlilik Fiili, because it is a verb..

1) Yeterlilik Fiili ( fiil + ebil-) :

Cümleye gücü yetme ve olasýlýk anlamý katar.Fiilin üzerine ebilmek getirilerek oluþturulur.

* Okula geç kalýrsam öðretmenim kýzabilir. (o)

* Bu genç yaþýmda ölebilirim (o)

*En güzel þiirlerimi söylemeden gidebilirim buralardan (o)

* Bir gece ansýzýn gelebilirim. (o)

* Sevinçten kapýnda bayýlabilirim.

* Sýnýfý geçebilirim (g.y)

UYARI: Yeterlilik fiilinin olumsuzunda bil- fiili düþer. Fiilin üzerine –ama , -eme getirilerek yapýlýr.

* Yapabilirim à yapamam. (yeterlilik birleþik fiilinin olumsuzu)

* yaparým    à   yapmam  ( geniþ zamanýn olumsuzu)  

* Görebilirsin à göremezsin (yeterlilik birleþik fiilinin olumsuzu)

* Atamam kendimi mavi denize dünya güzel. (atabilirim: yeterlilik birleþik fiilinin olumsuzu)

 Thats merely what I am saying It is not correct for turkish grammar, even if itd be the origine. And the gidebilmem I gave, was not intended as Azeri Turkish example, it was intended as an example why it would be inconsequent to view the ability-suffix as a verb.

 I didnt see you corrected it, sorry.

And I know of the type of source you gave. But Turkish ´dil bilgisi / bilimi´ is mainly based upon west-european linguistical concepts that do not fit Turkish language. That is why it is so interesting to discuss about Turkish grammar rules and how they should be named

 And welcome to the site, (thehandsom! did you do your duty as welcomer??), I have been away for quite some time and I havent noticed you around before. Hope you enjoy our website!

Thank you and yes, I enjoy the website..