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Turkish intellectuals issue apology to Armenians
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1.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 16 Dec 2008 Tue 01:04 am

A group of about 200 Turkish intellectuals on Monday issued an apology on the Internet for the World War I-era massacres of Armenians in Turkey.

The group of prominent academics, journalists, writers and artists avoided using the contentious term "genocide" in the apology, using the less explosive "Great Catastrophe" instead.

"My conscience does not accept that (we) remain insensitive toward and deny the Great Catastrophe that the Ottoman Armenians were subjected in 1915," read the apology. "I reject this injustice, share in the feelings and pain of my Armenian brothers, and apologize to them."

The apology is a sign that many in Turkey are ready to break a long-held taboo against acknowledging Turkish culpability for the deaths.

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/15/AR2008121501548.html

2.       teaschip
3870 posts
 16 Dec 2008 Tue 01:07 am

Thanks Ros..interesting article.  Maybe my post won´t disappear here.  I´m interested to see how many people sign this petition and it appears 2,500 already have online..

3.       femmeous
2642 posts
 16 Dec 2008 Tue 01:15 am

fine,

but great catastrophe? {#lang_emotions_you_crazy} dont they have a better linguist? i think we should send DD there.

4.       vineyards
1954 posts
 16 Dec 2008 Tue 02:27 am

Or we could send you over.  When they meet you they might change their mind and decide to annihilate Boratstan.{#lang_emotions_satisfied_nod}

5.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 Dec 2008 Tue 02:31 am

"The words were carefully chosen so as not to upset any side," she said. "We are not betraying anyone. We are merely telling the Armenians that we share their grief."


Funny statement above shows the hypocracy of that so-called "yaltakçý" intellectuels. I wonder if any of them share the grief of Turks during WW1 or the grief of Azeris just 17 years ago. Or if any of them realised Armenians have no intention of apology about what they had done in past. But i think Armenians are proud of these "prominent" intellectuels, maybe some awards for them are on way{#lang_emotions_wink}

6.       vineyards
1954 posts
 16 Dec 2008 Tue 02:41 am

The stories of Anatolia are written in blood. There are so many tragedies there. Some of these tragedies were probably conducted by the government. Sectarian fights, uprisals, mass killings all happened in this soil like everywhere else. We cannot judge the past events in the absence of proof. We can just feel the pain of lost people and their bad fate. We can do our best to change it today. We are not judges and none of us is innocent.

 

By way of reasoning, I know that both Armenians and Turks had almost the same culture, similar names, similar outlooks. They shared the same national identity and the same capacity for committing sin in a setting marked by lengthy wars, deprivation, blood that had been shed a depleted economy and misery of the worst kind. Unfortunately, people become capable of greater sins in such a setting. We only know this much.

 

Remember Titanic, remember how people thought about saving their lives first at the expense of others including women and small children. Remember how the blue collar boat crew in addition to second class passengers were locked behind bars and denied access to life boats. When a ship is about to sink people do things they wouldn´t otherwise...

 

You cannot judge those people without knowing their true story. I think all of the history books including British, Turkish, Australian and Jewish are completely biased. I have a couple of books depicting the WWI telling different stories heroism and valor. The same goes for the books on WWII. There is no consensus about the incidents that happened only 60 or so years ago. How can you be so certain about the history of a rural area lacking any means of communication.

7.       CANLI
5084 posts
 16 Dec 2008 Tue 02:42 am

What i wonder about...Are the armenians blood is so valuable , precious than the Turkish blood ?

Why not anyone´s feeling sorry for the Turkish people who has be murdered there then ?!

That question is directed specially to Turks who apologize and feel proud about it with lots of ??? and !!!!!

8.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 16 Dec 2008 Tue 02:45 am

 

Quoting armegon

"The words were carefully chosen so as not to upset any side," she said. "We are not betraying anyone. We are merely telling the Armenians that we share their grief."

Funny statement above shows the hypocracy of that so-called "yaltakçý" intellectuels. I wonder if any of them share the grief of Turks during WW1 or the grief of Azeris just 17 years ago. Or if any of them realised Armenians have no intention of apology about what they had done in past. But i think Armenians are proud of these "prominent" intellectuels, maybe some awards for them are on way{#lang_emotions_wink}

 

who cares about millions of Turks genocided in Anatolia, Balkans, Azerbaijan, Crimea, and Cyprus by christians?  no one gets nobel prize for acknowledging such things. If it`s done by christians, it`s never genocide, just like what happened in algeria, Bosnia, and Iraq.

9.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 16 Dec 2008 Tue 02:46 am

 

Quoting CANLI

What i wonder about...Are the armenians blood is so valuable , precious than the Turkish blood ?

Why not anyone´s feeling sorry for the Turkish people who has be murdered there then ?!

That question is directed specially to Turks who apologize and feel proud about it with lots of ??? and !!!!!

of course it is. it`s christian blood.

 

10.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 16 Dec 2008 Tue 02:49 am

 

 

I deleted the pictures, this is the link to the pictures of the victims of Azeri genocide carried out by armenians and russians in 1993 in Karabagh.

http://www.khojaly.org.az/photos.html

 

 

 

 










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