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Turkish intellectuals issue apology to Armenians
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80.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 22 Dec 2008 Mon 01:43 pm

 

Quoting TheAenigma

Great post - my thoughts exactly! Bu arada, TE Lawrence became a sapik! After being nearly flogged to death during his capture, he became addicted to it and paid men to flog him for sexual kicks!

 

I remember an expert`s proving that his claim in his book that he was raped by a Turkish colonel in a fortress somewhere in Arabia was just one of his sexual fantasies because in fact he never went to that fortress.

 

but history is written by these arsholes just because they are on the side of the strong.

81.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 22 Dec 2008 Mon 01:44 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

That is France´s problem..

 

and the Armenian issue is the problem of Turkey and Armenia, not of France.

82.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 22 Dec 2008 Mon 01:47 pm

 

Quoting tamikidakika

and the Armenian issue is the problem of Turkey and Armenia, not of France.

 

Agreed on that..

And it is OUR problem and now we, TURKS are talking about it..(despite the annoyence of nationalists!! )

Thanks to the people who initiated the petition and made it happen..

83.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 22 Dec 2008 Mon 01:57 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

Agreed on that..

And it is OUR problem and now we, TURKS are talking about it..(despite the annoyence of nationalists!! )

Thanks to the people who initiated the petition and made it happen..

 

doing it in a onesided way, without acknowledging hundreds of thousands of Turks genocided by the "angelic" armenians is nothing but the same type of cheap propaganda used by the armenian fascists and terrorists.

 

 

I`m asking you one simple question. can you fake liberals acknowledge the Turks genocided by the armenians? can you?

84.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 22 Dec 2008 Mon 02:09 pm

 

Quoting tamikidakika

doing it in a onesided way, without acknowledging hundreds of thousands of Turks genocided by the "angelic" armenians is nothing but the same type of cheap propaganda used by the armenian fascists and terrorists.

 

 

I`m asking you one simple question. can you fake liberals acknowledge the Turks genocided by the armenians? can you?

 

You should start reading abit of history before talking like racist/fascist MHP supporters which can not simply accept the fact that someone may thing different than what they think..

Simply start with my ´simplified translation´ about the events explained in a simplified way http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_37173.

 

85.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 22 Dec 2008 Mon 02:17 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

You should start reading abit of history before talking like racist/fascist MHP supporters which can not simply accept the fact that someone may thing different than what they think..

Simply start with my ´simplified translation´ about the events explained in a simplified way http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_37173.

 

right, when someone acknowledges the Turks murdered by the armenians he becomes an racist/fascist mhp fan.

 

I asked you a simple question but you couldn`t answer it. just say yes or no. it`s that easy.

86.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 22 Dec 2008 Mon 02:22 pm

 

Quoting mltm

 Thank you, it´s nice to get flowers from you.

 

I don´t really get all the fuss going on about this subject in Turkey. The people who signed it have been declared like traitors or the worst people. What if some people feel like saying sorry, the ones who do not feel like just do not need to sign it, it has not been signed in the name of all people, it is something personal. About this subject, I agree with Abdullah Gül, they have just used their freedom of expression.

 

You are welcome mltm..

Read the articles about this subject in Turkish newspapers. Look how those people who initiated the campain, are treated.

this is simple paragraph for example:

 

Yesterday daily Radikal published a phone conversation between her and the paper´s Ankara representative, Murat Yetkin. It went like this:

Yetkin: Why do you think that the ethnic origin of the president´s family matters?

Arýtman: It doesn´t matter.

Yetkin: Then why did you mention it?

Arýtman: As president, he needs to protect the rights of this nation. But he is protecting his ethnic belonging Whoever threatens Turkey by not opposing this campaign will be asked, ´are you an Armenian?´."

 

See how they think!!

There are these cancerous elements in politicals in Turkey. Even a simple "freedom of expression" can be seen as betrayel to your nation..

They have been in the power for so long and they have been loving that power so long,  they can NOT even understand the  time has changed and they can not even think straight like any normal person in the world..

That is the reason why they hate everything about words like ´democracy´ (and even the word ´west´, since they associate the democracy with the west).

 

 

 

 

87.       femmeous
2642 posts
 22 Dec 2008 Mon 03:33 pm

 

Quoting Uzun_Hava

 I just saw on TV the grandson of a Finnish 3rd class passenger on the Titanic relating how she described the voyage.   No mention of what you discribe, where did you hear it?  But it underscores that it is hard to be sure what really happened in 1915.   American and British journalists were expected to "support the War effort" with their writing. 

 

I was 12 or 13 years old when "Lawrence of Arabia" the movie came out.  I liked it so much that I read both of Thomeas Edward Lawrences books.  (about 1000 pages)..  But now I realize that most of the trouble in the Middle East is his fault.  That maybe if the Ottomans had retained the region, that there would be no Israel, no hamas, no hizbollah, and 9-11 would have never happened.

 

Thomas Edward Lawrence was very dilusioned by what happened in the Middle East after WWI.   He more or less went quietely insane and basically commited suicide on a motorcycle.

 

 this is not entirely true

he did not commit suicide. he tried not to hit the boys on bikes.

hes a hero to arabs, an enemy to jews and turks.

he seemed to be ok when he first appeared on the deserts of arabia. but then the heat of the sun and a great culture of arabs had impacted on him

never watched the film but read quite interesting opinions on him.

88.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 22 Dec 2008 Mon 03:36 pm

 

Quoting femmeous

 this is not entirely true

he did not commit suicide. he tried not to hit the boys on bikes.

 

I agree, this is the fact.  However, it is generally accepted that he had a death wish by then and was riding the motocycle extremely fast...

89.       femmeous
2642 posts
 22 Dec 2008 Mon 03:49 pm

 

Quoting Uzun_Hava

 I just saw on TV the grandson of a Finnish 3rd class passenger on the Titanic relating how she described the voyage.   No mention of what you discribe, where did you hear it?  But it underscores that it is hard to be sure what really happened in 1915.   American and British journalists were expected to "support the War effort" with their writing. 

 

I was 12 or 13 years old when "Lawrence of Arabia" the movie came out.  I liked it so much that I read both of Thomeas Edward Lawrences books.  (about 1000 pages)..  But now I realize that most of the trouble in the Middle East is his fault.  That maybe if the Ottomans had retained the region, that there would be no Israel, no hamas, no hizbollah, and 9-11 would have never happened.

 

Thomas Edward Lawrence was very dilusioned by what happened in the Middle East after WWI.   He more or less went quietely insane and basically commited suicide on a motorcycle.

 

 btw, vineyards meant the movie, i think. i often ignore such his posts he loves fantasy, walks astray from the main subject and counts stars on the sky with the help of his expensive wines 

he was trying to justify horrible things done by some people pointing out on to the titanic movie. but he forgot to mention how brave was dicaprio to save poor people lol

90.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 22 Dec 2008 Mon 03:50 pm

 

Quoting femmeous

but he forgot to mention how brave was dicaprio to save poor people lol

 

 lol

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