my comment was a reply to your ridiculous comment.......

 no. i wouldnt go that far. jews are hebrews, hebrews are jews and israelis. they used to live in the land of canaan, and even then when judea was renamed palestine.

arabs lived in arab peninsula.

Jews are NOT Hebrews....they might not even have any discernable Hebrew genetic material to be considered Jewish law....read up on it....you will see....

 i still cant get your crazy opinion on how jews are not hebrews or israelis? anything to back up your claim?

well, if you come up with this claim you have to feed me with some information.

 i still cant get your crazy opinion on how jews are not hebrews or israelis? anything to back up your claim?

well, if you come up with this claim you have to feed me with some information.

 Yes, I listen to myself.. I do respect, but I do not accept somebody imposing their ideas on me, for or against.  I will declare war on people who praise and/or impose malpractice of religion... Do you understand the difference.. if somebody says, I believe in this, you have a right to believe it or not.. it´s okay.. but if somebody comes, and tells me you are a sinner, and you are this and that, sorry, I think everybody is responsible for their own conducts..

Jews : The people who believe in Jewish Religion / the religion comes from mothers side.

Actually, they don´t have to believe in the Jewish Religion to be considered a Jew by Orthodox Rabbinical law. All they have to have is a Jewish mother. I have had conversations with Israelis who are athiests....but qualify under the Rabbinical laws as Jews....it´s very confusing and convoluted...

So they are not exactly the same, and if we check it genetically, a Jew is less Israeli as the father is not necessarily a Jew or Israeli.

....and the mother could have had a mother who´s father was a gentile...whose grandmother was a gentile...and so on and so on...leaving hardly any actual genetic material...or in fact could have been decended from a convert.

Which is exactly what I said earlier, that my respect ends when they impose their beliefs on others (and that I don´t care if they believe in Mickey Mouse) ... so you´re acting as if you´re disagreeing with me all along and then you´re saying in the above post that´s that´s exactly how you feel. Make up your mind. Either people have a right to their beliefs and you need to respect them when they exercise their freedom of religion, or you have a right not to respect their beliefs if you don´t feel they are justified and reasonable, which is exactly what you´re doing by saying it´s not ok for them to tell you how to live and that you´re a sinner. And what´s wrong with disrespecting those beliefs to begin with? There´s plenty of beliefs and opinions that get disrespected on this forum daily, so why should religion be any different?

If you have written these lines to someone telling you that you should believe in something, bla bla, then it was okay...

But nobody said anything to you... and it was not sounding like something desirable, rather a fact that, you believe if you have faith in your heart, otherwise, you will not believe anything.

And definitely not provoking.

No, sorry, Mary´s ob/gyn records didn´t make it to this day, can´t tell for sure, but, erm, I think I can take a good guess

 but the fact is you don´t know....and never will...and the fact is that we know with modern  technology a virgin can have a child...an old woman can have a child...via a variety of methods....so is it not conceivable that a couple of thousands years ago a Higher Intellegence could perform a feat you could not imagine?

Ok, I´ll give you that much, I don´t know and never will know for sure what happened. Do I think it´s possible that she was a virgin? No, I don´t. Without modern technology and bathtubs where males are leaving their sperm behind for innocent virgins to get knocked up, I think it´s highly unlikely that Mary conceived without a sexual intercourse. I don´t believe in god as described (or made up) by people in the so called holy books, so I think the entire story is untrue. If there´s higher intelligence or some kind of cosmic force that could be called god, I doubt that it, whatever it is, would be concerned with Mary´s virginity as much as we are in this thread.

But if you want to believe that virgin births (in humans) are feasible, then more power to you. Obviously you have the "extra sense" that I don´t.

 Actually, I have done extensive study on the subject....

you wont impress me with this.

Who is a Jew?

"In traditional Judaism, a Jew is a person born to a Jewish mother or who is a convert to Judaism, No other way to recognition is allowed for.

Of course, there are other definitions....like Ann Coulter´s Christian = "Perfected Jew". For the sake of this discussion, I am using the official Israeli definition.....

but alameda, thats why im saying to you that i fail to understand you. according to the link you gave it dismisses your very definition of who a jew is.

let me give you some fragments of the source:

The definition of who is a Jew varies according to whether it is being considered by Jews for self-identification or by non-Jews for their own particular purposes. As Jewish identity can include characteristics of an ethnicity and of a religion, the definition of who is a Jew has varied, depending on whether a religious, sociological, or ethnic aspect was being considered. This article is concerned with Jewish self-identification issues.

According to the simplest definition used by Jews for self-identification, a person is a Jew by birth, or becomes one through religious conversion. However, there are differences of opinion among the various branches of Judaism in the application of this definition, including:

• Mixed parentage: i.e. whether a person of mixed Jewish and non-Jewish parentage should be considered Jewish.
• Conversion: i.e. what process of religious conversion should be considered valid.
• Life circumstances issues: i.e. whether a person´s actions (such as conversion to a different religion) or circumstances in their lives (such as being unaware of Jewish parentage) should affect their Jewish status.

and then another text:

The origin of the rule that a person´s Jewish status is determined in accordance with matrilineal descent is obscure. Traditional rabbis have pointed to Deuteronomy 7:3-4 and Ezra 10:3 as implicit sources,^[2][3] while advocates of patrilineal descent point to Genesis 48:15-20 and Deuteronomy 10:15

Reform and Liberal Judaism do not accept the halakhic rules as binding, and accept a child of one Jewish parent, whether father or mother, as Jewish if the parents raise the child as a Jew and the child fosters a Jewish identity, noting "that in the Bible the line always followed the father, including the cases of Joseph and Moses, who married into non-Israelite priestly families".^[5]