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170.       femmeous
2642 posts
 14 Jan 2009 Wed 08:45 pm

 

Quoting alameda

 Actually, I have done extensive study on the subject....

 

you wont impress me with this.

 

Who is a Jew?

 

"In traditional Judaism, a Jew is a person born to a Jewish mother or who is a convert to Judaism, No other way to recognition is allowed for.

 

Of course, there are other definitions....like Ann Coulter´s Christian = "Perfected Jew". For the sake of this discussion, I am using the official Israeli definition.....

 

but alameda, thats why im saying to you that i fail to understand you. according to the link you gave it dismisses your very definition of who a jew is.

let me give you some fragments of the source:

The definition of who is a Jew varies according to whether it is being considered by Jews for self-identification or by non-Jews for their own particular purposes. As Jewish identity can include characteristics of an ethnicity and of a religion, the definition of who is a Jew has varied, depending on whether a religious, sociological, or ethnic aspect was being considered. This article is concerned with Jewish self-identification issues.

According to the simplest definition used by Jews for self-identification, a person is a Jew by birth, or becomes one through religious conversion. However, there are differences of opinion among the various branches of Judaism in the application of this definition, including:

  • Mixed parentage: i.e. whether a person of mixed Jewish and non-Jewish parentage should be considered Jewish.
  • Conversion: i.e. what process of religious conversion should be considered valid.
  • Life circumstances issues: i.e. whether a person´s actions (such as conversion to a different religion) or circumstances in their lives (such as being unaware of Jewish parentage) should affect their Jewish status.

and then another text:

The origin of the rule that a person´s Jewish status is determined in accordance with matrilineal descent is obscure. Traditional rabbis have pointed to Deuteronomy 7:3-4 and Ezra 10:3 as implicit sources,[2][3] while advocates of patrilineal descent point to Genesis 48:15-20 and Deuteronomy 10:15

 

Reform and Liberal Judaism do not accept the halakhic rules as binding, and accept a child of one Jewish parent, whether father or mother, as Jewish if the parents raise the child as a Jew and the child fosters a Jewish identity, noting "that in the Bible the line always followed the father, including the cases of Joseph and Moses, who married into non-Israelite priestly families".[5]

 

 

171.       Merih
933 posts
 14 Jan 2009 Wed 08:48 pm

 

Quoting femmeous

 

 and your point is???

172.       alameda
3499 posts
 14 Jan 2009 Wed 09:03 pm

 

Quoting femmeous

 

..... Actually, why don´t you try to perform Aliyah? Perhaps then you will get a clearer definition of just who qualifies as a Jew and just how much Hebrew blood is needed...according to the laws of Israel.

 

Law of Return

 

"According to the halakhic definition, a person is Jewish if their mother is Jewish, or if he or she converts to Judaism. Charedi citizens of Israel generally do not recognize conversions performed by Reform or Conservative Judaism."

173.       femmeous
2642 posts
 14 Jan 2009 Wed 09:03 pm

 

Quoting Merih

 and your point is???

 

 im dismissing alameda´s definition of a jew. thats all.

174.       Merih
933 posts
 14 Jan 2009 Wed 09:05 pm

 

Quoting femmeous

 im dismissing alameda´s definition of a jew. thats all.

 

 you are a really fun girl Femme... I started liking you.

175.       alameda
3499 posts
 14 Jan 2009 Wed 09:14 pm

 

Quoting femmeous

 im dismissing alameda´s definition of a jew. thats all.

 

 Femm...it´s not my definition...it´s the Orthodox Rabbinical, and Israeli definition....

176.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 14 Jan 2009 Wed 09:19 pm

Are you still all arguing about the definition of a Jew?  In the meantime, please note FEMME ( ) that the fact is you need to go further back to find that "Israel" was actually Palastine long before you claim the Arabs took it. 

 

Judeans were inhabitants of southern Palestine, the area called Judea (Judaea). This was where Jerusalem and the temple were located. Judea is the same as Judah, and Judah was the tribe of Israel that was allocated that geographical area when all twelve tribes conquered the inhabitants of Palestine in about 1400 B.C.

177.       femmeous
2642 posts
 14 Jan 2009 Wed 09:32 pm

 

Quoting TheAenigma

Are you still all arguing about the definition of a Jew?  In the meantime, please note FEMME ( ) that the fact is you need to go further back to find that "Israel" was actually Palastine long before you claim the Arabs took it. 

 

Judeans were inhabitants of southern Palestine, the area called Judea (Judaea). This was where Jerusalem and the temple were located. Judea is the same as Judah, and Judah was the tribe of Israel that was allocated that geographical area when all twelve tribes conquered the inhabitants of Palestine in about 1400 B.C.

 

 im trying to see where did you get this idea of palestine when this name was given by romans after taking the rebells down in the II century?

here a little exerpt of how the name came to a life:

The name and the borders of Palestine have varied throughout history, though Palestine has certain natural boundaries that justify its historical individuality.[5] Other terms that have been used to refer to all or part of this area include Canaan, Greater Israel, Greater Syria, the Holy Land, Iudaea Province, Israel, "Israel HaShlema", Kingdom of Israel, Kingdom of Jerusalem, Land of Israel, Levant, Retenu (Ancient Egyptian), Southern Syria, and Syria Palestina.

´Palestine´ ( Greek: Παλαιστίνη; Latin: Palaestina; Hebrew: פלשתינהPalestina; Arabic: فلسطينFilasṭīn, Falasṭīn, Filisṭīn ) is a Latinized name given to the region of the Iudaea Province by the Roman emperor Hadrian[6][7] following the crushing Bar Kochba´s revolt in 132-135[8] in an attempt to suppress Jewish national feelings.[9][10] In the Bible, the area inhabited by the Philistines was known as Pleshet Genesis, X.13. The Philistines were a seafaring people who lived in cities along the coast. During the Late Bronze Age, Philistia was located approximately where the Gaza Strip is situated. Philistia was a confederation of five city states: Gaza, Ashkelon and Ashdod on the coast, and Ekron and Gath inland.

 

i never claimed that arabs gave the name palastine, it was romans. and arabs have simply hijacked it recently in arab-israeli wars. over one night they became a palastine.

178.       femmeous
2642 posts
 14 Jan 2009 Wed 09:33 pm

 

Quoting alameda

..... Actually, why don´t you try to perform Aliyah? Perhaps then you will get a clearer definition of just who qualifies as a Jew and just how much Hebrew blood is needed...according to the laws of Israel.

 

Law of Return

 

"According to the halakhic definition, a person is Jewish if their mother is Jewish, or if he or she converts to Judaism. Charedi citizens of Israel generally do not recognize conversions performed by Reform or Conservative Judaism."

 

 alameda, i gave you my arguement against yours using your own source.

i dont know how else i can explain it to you. this is my last post re: the definition of a jew.

179.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 14 Jan 2009 Wed 09:35 pm

 

Quoting femmeous

 im trying to see where did you get this idea of palestine when this name was given by romans after taking the rebells down in the II century?

here a little exerpt of how the name came to a life:

The name and the borders of Palestine have varied throughout history, though Palestine has certain natural boundaries that justify its historical individuality.[5] Other terms that have been used to refer to all or part of this area include Canaan, Greater Israel, Greater Syria, the Holy Land, Iudaea Province, Israel, "Israel HaShlema", Kingdom of Israel, Kingdom of Jerusalem, Land of Israel, Levant, Retenu (Ancient Egyptian), Southern Syria, and Syria Palestina.

´Palestine´ ( Greek: Παλαιστίνη; Latin: Palaestina; Hebrew: פלשתינהPalestina; Arabic: فلسطينFilasṭīn, Falasṭīn, Filisṭīn ) is a Latinized name given to the region of the Iudaea Province by the Roman emperor Hadrian[6][7] following the crushing Bar Kochba´s revolt in 132-135[8] in an attempt to suppress Jewish national feelings.[9][10] In the Bible, the area inhabited by the Philistines was known as Pleshet Genesis, X.13. The Philistines were a seafaring people who lived in cities along the coast. During the Late Bronze Age, Philistia was located approximately where the Gaza Strip is situated. Philistia was a confederation of five city states: Gaza, Ashkelon and Ashdod on the coast, and Ekron and Gath inland.

 

i never claimed that arabs gave the name palastine, it was romans. and arabs have simply hijacked it recently in arab-israeli wars. over one night they became a palastine.

 

Stop talking about NAMES NAMES NAMES.... maybe I should have "written the area we CALLED Palastine was conquered by tribes of Judah in 1400 BC".  The most important fact is that it did not belong to ISRAEL!!!

 

You use this argument now, but were quite happy to state that the word "arab" was not used until many years after Jesus, but failed to mention that the word "Jew" was not used then either!!!

 

180.       femmeous
2642 posts
 14 Jan 2009 Wed 09:35 pm

 

Quoting Merih

 you are a really fun girl Femme... I started liking you.

 

 of course you like me. you  liked me before you have realized that. you tried to resist but it didnt work.

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