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Clash of civilizations or It is just killing people?
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1.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 17 Jan 2009 Sat 06:48 pm

Food for thoughts from Orhan Pamuk:

 

Islam not irreconcilable with West

The Yomiuri Shimbun

 

.. a "clash of civilizations." Do you agree with that?

 

.. Samuel Huntington´s thought [of a "clash of civilizations"] is an interesting idea. There is some truth in it..... The West kills more Muslims they are afraid of or embarrassed by and say, "It´s a clash of civilizations." It is not a clash of civilizations. It is just killing people.

 

I don´t think Palestinians and Israelis can live happily in the same street and kiss each other for at least another 50 years. But Kurds and Turks have been living [alongside each other]. If the Turkish government is wise, they can continue to live [side by side] for quite a long time. So what I believe sometimes may contradict what happened in history. Cynics do not have ideals. I have ideals. I believe that this is possible and that´s why I want Turkey to join the European Union, which has higher standards of respect for different cultures and multiculturalism.

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The Ottoman Empire realized coexistence to some extent.

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You can only run an empire with a sort of tolerance. Do not think that they were multicultural, like EU or American tolerance. They were totally different. It was inevitable. ...

 

There has been a long history of confrontation between Western and Eastern cultures. Istanbul has been a powerful symbol of that confrontation and coexistence.

 

Some people only point out the confrontations of cultures in their lives, give their energy to focus on confrontations. I always point out how harmoniously they come together. Some people go out and only see head-scarved girls and mini-skirted girls and the conflict. Some people go out and see how they do not notice each other and live in peace in the streets of Istanbul. ..

 

Turkey is more politically troubled than socially troubled. If there is a social problem, that is poverty--class distinction between the rich and the poor. ....

Turkey is a multicultural country, not politically but ethnically and religiously. But I do not only see these problems as East clashes with West. Only after September 11th was "clash of civilizations" set as a sort of a standard model for the world.

 

...Yes, Islam is a religion which does not stay in the private sphere. It is not only about personal beliefs, but also about how to run a country, about laws and governments. And the rules are in the traditions of Islam and Koran. But this is the argument of ultraradical secularists, which can only base its power on the force of the army. Many people like me think that most of the Turkish people believe at the same time both in a blend of secularism and a blend of Islam.

 

I believe in secularism. I believe that public life should not be ruled by the laws of the religion. But Islamic tradition is not like that. Up to now, public life in Turkey has not been ruled by the rules of traditions of Islam, but the rules of secularism. I am a secularist, but a liberal secularist. There should be a harmony between the people´s wishes and secularization energy. Turkey´s secularists should be also liberal. We have secularists who base their power only on the army. That damages Turkey´s democracy. ....

 

Secularism is now combined with nationalism in Turkey. This combination has depressed ethnic minorities including Kurds, Armenians and Christians.

 

There is an obvious rise of nationalism in Turkey. There are many reasons for that. One is the anxiety of those ruling classes who think that if Turkey joined the EU, their interests will be damaged. Another is that, unfortunately, some part of the Turkish Army is upset about negotiations with the EU. Turkey´s improvement in democracy is developing in parallel with Turkey´s relationship with the EU. Some measures were taken by the previous and present governments, which I am happy about. More freedom of speech, more respect for minorities, more multiculturalism--unfortunately half of them are done just to enter the EU.

 

...Politically, it will be good because there are some EU standards for democracy: free speech, respect for the human rights, minorities, et cetera. Secondly, I also believe that once you join the EU you are militarily under the umbrella of the EU. You don´t have to reserve so much money for military spending. Also, once you are in the EU, Kurdish separatists will be happier, too. Negotiations should go faster. But it is not going that way, unfortunately.

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2.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 17 Jan 2009 Sat 10:35 pm

Since I can not modify my post at the moment..

The link of the article for above post is:

http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/business/20090117TDY01302.htm

3.       catwoman
8933 posts
 17 Jan 2009 Sat 11:01 pm

Great article... thought-provoking, as usual.

4.       femmeous
2642 posts
 18 Jan 2009 Sun 07:12 pm

it is sad that you all bear so much hatred in your hearts, that you live with a hope of revenge and a bloodshed. you are like bulls who gets excited at the color of blood or sharks who follows the taste of blood drop.

5.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 18 Jan 2009 Sun 07:46 pm

 

Quoting femmeous

it is sad that you all bear so much hatred in your hearts, that you live with a hope of revenge and a bloodshed. you are like bulls who gets excited at the color of blood or sharks who follows the taste of blood drop.

 

+1000000000 I completely agree with you Femme.

This is not somewhere I choose to spend time anymore....

 

6.       azade
1606 posts
 18 Jan 2009 Sun 08:35 pm

Femme is that your new motto? lol

7.       catwoman
8933 posts
 18 Jan 2009 Sun 08:44 pm

 

Quoting femmeous

it is sad that you all bear so much hatred in your hearts, that you live with a hope of revenge and a bloodshed. you are like bulls who gets excited at the color of blood or sharks who follows the taste of blood drop.

 

She´s been posting this comment on every single thread, it really has no relevance here.

8.       alameda
3499 posts
 18 Jan 2009 Sun 08:45 pm

 

Quoting azade

Femme is that your new motto? lol

 

I was wondering too, seeing as it´s been posted in more than one thread...verbatim........

9.       femmeous
2642 posts
 18 Jan 2009 Sun 08:46 pm

 

Quoting catwoman

She´s been posting this comment on every single thread, it really has no relevance here.

 

 you are more than welcome to delete my posts.

10.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 18 Jan 2009 Sun 08:48 pm

 

Quoting femmeous

 you are more than welcome to delete my posts.

 

delete her account too{#lang_emotions_razz}

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