You know Tami, you should ask an atlas for your birthday. ´The west´ exists of many countries, many times very different in laws or culture. Like your Turkey is not the same as Saudi-Arabia, Indonesia, Nigeria or Iran, mine is not the same as the US, France or Switzerland.

I never denied that bad things happen(ed), and such an absurd statement that nazi´s were muslims can only be in your brains!!

I agree with the fact that JUST saying ´there was no armenian genocide in 1915´ or ´genocide of jews in WWII was a lie´ does not fit with well with the freedom of speach..

Dogu Perincek case was similar to http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4733820.stm David Erving case..  

But I think, those countries made those laws had a good motive: they don´t want another genocide like the Jewish holocaust. 

The freedom of speach in Turkey and in the west are not comparable. We are unfortunately quite back in the league...

In Turkey you can still be treated in  very nasty way for ´just expressing of your thoughts´..Turtures/death by falling of the stairs used to be very common..Just two years ago H Dink got killed..He had to endure endless court cases about code 301.. Even Orhan Pamuk was in front of a judge just because of a speech..There are still many cases similar to those in Turkey.

We are getting better though..

Hopefully the time when we join EU we will be at the same level..

 No I didn´t say that. I think it´s highly criticisable that the government can punish a citizen for anything they might have said.

was it the government who killed Hrant Dink? germans burnt 10 Turks last year just for being Turkish and muslim. how do you think this one fits the definition of freedom?

 Ah yes. It wasn´t the Turkish government that murdered Dink (true) but OF COURSE it was the German government that killed these Turks. You are really ...... (can´t say what I think - forum rules).

A Turkish man got killed by the german police last year just for being Turkish. how does that fit your definition of freedom? It was the german government who killed him, not a bum.

http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/190524,turkish-man-dies-after-blackout-in-german-police-station.html

Well actually, He was not killed by the goverment but the ´deep state´ embedded into establisment..

And also I have to remind you that he was prosecuted three times for denigrating Turkishness.

 At the time of his death, the prosecutor´s office was preparing to press charges in a third case.

He was convicted for the second case..

you are really ........   that you can`t even understand the sarcasm behind my post.

 It was a disturbed policeman, not the govenment.

Although it´s true that germans don´t have the warmest feelings towards turks in Germany.

Bad, bad, bad German government with their cruel actions to this o-so innocent (cocaine using and violent) man.....

oh yeah, when a Turkish man gets tortured and killed in a police stationof the government just for being Turkish, it`s not the government who is doing that, but when a bum who has nothing to do with the goverment shoots a journalist, it`s the "deep state" who is doing that.