I feel I am really struggling to make any progress with Türkçe at the moment.......so I thought I would start a thread to allow me and others to post short phrases along with their English translation. The sort of phrases that I use everyday - because these are the sorts of phrases that I am likely to need to speak and understand whilst in Türkiye.

Hopefully mistakes will be quickly corrected and we will all get a better 'feel' for the way Türkçe fits together in everyday language.

Cheers


Bod xxx

Daha kızarmış ekmek ister misin?
Do you want more toast?

Hayır teşekkürler
Daha kızarmış ekmek istemiyorum
No thanks
I don't want more toast

Here's another one......

Kahvaltı için menemen istiyorum lütfen. Bu mümküm mü?
I would like menemen for breakfast please. Is this possible?

ive just read it and im also struggleing to make progress and ive learnt a few more phrases now so thanks loads
hopefully this will help other learn too and i wish i could put something up but my turkish isnt very good yet maybe when i learn a lil more

Someone have a look at the questions below for us please? Thanks

Quoting Elisa: Quoting Deli_kizin: Quoting Elisa: Quoting bod: Here's another one...... Kahvaltı için menemen istiyorum lütfen. Bu mümküm mü? I would like menemen for breakfast please. Is this possible? I think you could also say "Kahvaltıda menemen istiyorum lütfen"? I'd propably say this: "Kahvaltıda menemeni isterim, mümkünse" I would like menemen for breakfast, if possible. I did change the sentence a little bit from the original one though. - menemeni, because i think it should be accusative? - isterm, because i think this might express 'i would like' better than 'istiyorum' What does a native think - I wouldn't use accusative because you ask for something in general, a dish on a menu, not "the menemen". - isterim is better though, you are right, because you have a polite request here Then again, I am not a native :-S

I've added a note to the first post of this thread indicating the phrases that need checking and the questions that have been raised that still need answers.

I'll try and keep this updated as regularly as possible.

Dışarıda minik köpeğimiz
Our cute little dog is outside

Dışarıya büyük köpeğimiz istiyor mu?
Does our big dog want to go outside?

dont you use the full infinitive with istiyor?

Şimdi yemek ister misin?
Do you want to eat now?

i thought mekteyim= i have been

ogrenmekteyim= i have been learning



hakli miyim yada yanlis miyim


yada deli delidir tekradan

Greetings,
there have been good suggestions by other members. Let me add my suggestions.

Daha kızarmış ekmek ister misin?
This sentence is alright.
We could also say:
Biraz daha kızarmış ekmek ister misin?

Daha kızarmış ekmek istemiyorum
Incorrect. It should be be:
"Başka kızarmış ekmek istemiyorum."
or better:
"Hayır. Başka kızarmış ekmek istemiyorum."

"Kahvaltı için menemen istiyorum lütfen."
This sentence is alright. Such a sentence could be said to somebody whose duty is to prepare you breakfast. Generally "istiyorum lütfen" is a polite order. You say it to people who are supposed to serve.

If you are talking to somebody close to you you would prefer a different sentence. The problem is that, normally first the person asks you and then you say what you want for breakfast. Otherwise no matter how polite you try to say it it sounds a bit unusual.

1. Kahvaltıda menemen yapabilir misin?
2. Kahvaltıda menemen yiyelim mi?
3. Kahvaltıda menemen nasıl olur sence?

2 and 3 are more polite but they are suggesting to eat the menemen together. I don't know any polite way to tell somebody to cook something for you without being asked first.

-Kahvaltıda ne istersin?
1. - Menemen iyi olur.
2. - Menemen olsun.
3. - Mümkünse menemen alabilir miyim.

"Bu mümküm mü?"
This phrase is correct but sounds strange here. "mümkün mü?" would be better without "bu". But the best would be "mümkünse" (if possible).

Dışarıda minik köpeğimiz
Almost correct. It should be "Minik köpeğimiz dışarıda".

Dışarıya büyük köpeğimiz istiyor mu?
Elisa's suggestion is correct. Here is another version:
"Büyük köpeğimiz dışarı mı çıkmak istiyor?"

By the way, we use names of dogs. "Büyük köpeğimiz" sounds strange. Its like a childish speech.

Bir tane ayran daha alabilir miyim?
Daha kızarmış ekmek ister misin?

The difference is that the second sentence has no "bir" in front of the object. If you add "bir" you can move "daha" after the object.
"Bir kızarmış ekmek daha alabilir miyim?"
If you are using "tane" (unit) you have more flexibility.

1. Bir tane ayran daha alabilir miyim?
2. Bir tane daha ayran alabilir miyim?
3. Bir tane kızarmış ekmek daha alabilir miyim?
4. Bir tane daha kızarmış ekmek alabilir miyim?
Here both versions are acceptable. "Bir tane daha" (2 and 4) sounds stronger.

Kahvaltıda menemeni isterim, mümkünse
No accusative should be used here. You are telling that you want something. You just say it without any suffix:
"Kahvaltıda menemen istiyorum mümkünse". It is not a certain menemen that you want. If you are talking about a certain object, for instance "the pen on the table", then you use accusative.
If there had been more than one menemen's ready waiting for you to choose you could say "şu menemeni", "bu menemeni", "senin pişirdiğin menemeni" istiyorum.

"İsterim" is unsuitable here. İf somebodys ask you the question:
- Kahvaltıda menemen ister misin?
- İsterim.
You answer like this.

I will add these below later.
Questions that need answering:
- Post 18
- Post 19
- Post 23
- Post 32

This issue below is too much detail for beginners. It is an upper intermediate issue.

The Present Continuous Tense suffix is -iyor and -mekte. Both are Present Continuous Tense suffixes. The infinitice -mek can take the locative case suffix -de -da. This should not be confused with the present continuous tense suffix.

We can use -mekte as present continuous tense if:
1. We are making a statement about something. In this case it is used together with the -dir suffix.

Çevre kirliliği kuşların ölümüne sebep olmaktadır.

Türkçe dünyada yaygınlaşmaktadır.

2. We are making a presentation, seminar or a speech.
It is common to use the -mekte in this case as present continuous.
Türkiye ilerlemektedir ancak bu ilerleme yavaş olmaktadır. Peki neden yavaş oluyor? Çünkü önceden yapılan hatalardan ders alınmamaktadır. Aynı hatalar sürekli tekrarlanmaktadır.

3. In story-telling when we want to express present in the past. It implies the phrase "at this moment" even when such a phrase is not pronounced. It is like "was + V-ing". The story teller plays a game with tenses. He wants to take the listeners to the time of action. This unusual form of present tense fits well in this rarely case.

" O sırada Ali caddede yürümektedir. Güneşli bir gündür. Ali'nin canı sıkılmaktadır. Ne yapacağını bilememektedir. İçinde kötü bir his vardır. "

Compare this to embellished style to the regular usage:

" O sırada Ali caddede yürüyordu. Güneşli bir gündü. Ali'nin canı sıkılıyordu. Ne yapacağını bilemiyordu. İçinde kötü bir his vardı. "

The first one sounds more exciting. It is like any time something unexpected is going to happen. The listener was allowed to share the same with the story for only a moment but the story teller violates this and tells the whole story in a mood as if he is adding "at this moment" to each sentence.

"gitmekte" or gitmede as a verbal adverb:
Here the -mek is the infinitive suffix and -me is the short infinitive suffix.

The meaning of -de is "by/in/on/at".
Bunu söylemekte sakınca görmüyorum.
Bunu söylemede sakınca görmüyorum.

I don't see any harm in telling this.

About "ister" and "istiyor" the long story made short is like this:
When offering:
definately use "ister". Also "alır" is possible. "istiyor" is also possible but is too weak.
Offering:
Bir çay daha ister misiniz?
Bir çay daha alır mısınız?

When requesting:
Don't use ister. "İster" is impossible for requesting something.
"istiyorum lütfen" is possible in a shop/restourant/bar/hotel. "alabilir miyim" is also possible in a bar/restourant. Just "lütfen" is the most common one:
- Bir bira lütfen.
- Buyurun efendim.
- Teşekkürler.
After a few minutes:
- Bir bira daha alabilir miyim?
- Tabii efendim. Buyurun.
- Teşekkürler.

"ister misin?" is better when you ask the informal question "would you like?". "ister miydin?" is also possible.
Biraz dondurma ister misin?
Sinemaya gitmek ister misin?

If you want to be more formal "alır mısınız?" or "alır mıydınız?" is better.
Bir çay daha alır mısınız?
Bir çay daha alır mıydınız?

Notice that the singular "Bir çay daha alır mısın?" is too informal and will be alright among friends.

These are correct:
... gitmeyi istiyor mu?
... gitmek istiyor mu?
... dışarı gitmek istiyor mu?
... dışarıya çıkmak istiyor mu?

This is incorrect:
"gitmeye istiyor"

This is correct:
"gitmeye hazırım"
I'm ready to go.

The last -e in gitmeye means "to".

First of all, this is a great thread.

Secondly, Bod, do some research and find a Turkish group near where you live and insinuate yourself into their midst, you can make some great friends and everyone will want to talk to you because there is nothing a turk likes more than helping someone learn Turkish.

Thirdly, what the hell is menemen?

Floss, buraya gel!

Floss, come here!