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300.       Melek74
1506 posts
 01 Sep 2009 Tue 09:46 pm

 

Quoting raindrops

 

read Uve Topper for example

 

 

Yeah, well, that´s going to be a problem. I just checked in my library and the only books by him I could get (as an interlibrary loan) would be in Bulgarian or Russian. And there´s absolutely ZERO journal articles authored by him in any scientific journals. Ninja

There´s some stuff about him online, but how reliable is it really? I mean do I trust Wikipedia or historians? Tough choice.

 

P.S. I apologize if I´m coming across as making fun. I´m just being very sceptical about the theory as it seems outlandish. I´m sure it´s an interesting theory though and might be worth exploring further. I just don´t think a global conspiracy about historical facts is even remotly possible.



Edited (9/1/2009) by Melek74

301.       baklava
16 posts
 01 Sep 2009 Tue 09:53 pm

 

Quoting raindrops

 

read Uve Topper for example

 

 

 

Uwe Topper (born 194 is a German amateur researcher and author of books about historic, ethnographic and anthropological subjects.

Topper published in 1977 Das Erbe der Giganten (The Legacy of the Giants), a book about the prehistory of Spain and the Western Mediterranean basin. The main thesis interpretes the remnant of very early high cultures there as the basis for Plato´s Atlantis.

302.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 03 Sep 2009 Thu 01:59 pm

 

Quoting raindrops

 

I would start with one note: info below needs thinking and open mind. Do not reject for the reason of being ridiculous. Think more, search more. This info is really very interesting (and I cannot write here everything), but hard to believe at first. Thus, I talked to historians and they said that most probably it is true. Because information they have now is not system. Facts contradict each other. Nevertheless, unless it is officially accepted none can use it in science (at last millions of dissertations were made and proved based on usual information). SO, try to wide your consciousness first and then read.


We know history that never existed. Why so? Till about XVI century there was great empire from Western Europe to America, including Turkey, Persia, part of India, China, North of Africa – all territories we are aware of many local empires on. Of course, local “managers” at last wanted to became local kings and started the process of dividing. We know it as Reformation in Germany (for example there are some manuscripts telling that Germans were deadly afraid of Russians who would come and punish). There were two centres: in modern Russia and in Istanbul. After empire collapsed (mainly in Western Europe) to prevent other parts to restore former system history was changed. Old manuscripts were burnt and new written. New with new dates, some facts left away etc. Thus, history we know today was written by Miller and Scaliger. Empire was ruled from Russian territory, at that time new dynasty of Romanoff came.


Jerusalem means just Holly place for certain nation, people. As well as Mekka. So there were many jerusalems in the past, it modern Jerusalem is not one mentioned in the Bible as at that time it was not proper noun. There are several sources of description of Jerusalem and there is only one city that corresponds with them. It is Istanbul. Scaliger’s version says that Magomet II (sorry for spelling) conquered Istanbul and adds well known fact how boats were moved on land to Golden Horn. Russians have the same fact about their King Oleg who conquered Istanbul in the same way, but in X century. Though, this story is unique… there is painting in National library of Paris made by contemporary of conquer. Historians today agree with everything, but: clothes and arms of ottomans-atamans (in Russian): no turbans but Me helmets, no crescent but dragons and two-headed eagle…


Bible tells us measures of Solomon temple. They are measures of Ayasofia, which was built by Suleyman (king Solomon). Sofia did not go deeper into ground as it is seen with really old buildings and churches (s temple of st.Irina or small sofia). There are no signs of windows too close to the ground. It means that there is good basement and it is mentioned by Djelal Essad, Turkish historian, who also wrote about 25 foots of concrete (!) in the basement. Ayasofia was first experience. Huge dome was too heavy, thus temple today has many “additions”. Suleyman built Sofia in 1550-1557 years (temple was absent on maps of earlier periods). Sofia was covered by gold from inside as it is mentioned about temple of Solomon in Bible. Being first try of megalith construction it was the last as well due to Scaliger, bec nothing like that was built next to Sofia. Though if we look around we will see many Huge temples=mosques in Istanbul.


Solomon’s temple was built out of bricks (die to Bible) and we see it in Sofia. Bricks were invented ar XV-XVI century. Muslims do not recognize drawings of animals or people, as Christians do in their churches. Though frescos of Sofia were plastered in the middle of XVIII century. Before that Sofia was main temple of the city and burial-vault sultans. It became burial-vault at XVI century, right after it was built as it was usual practice. It was natural for that time because at that time two religions were together, as well Russian and Arabian languages were official languages of empire, nevertheless, people used Turkic for everyday life. They prayed mixing prayers to Allah and Jesus, from Kuran and Bible, on Russian then Persian then Turkic …


Sultan prayed in Sofia, why would they if Suleyman built Blue Mosque? He and his progeny gifted Sofia candles, jars for water to be consecrated. Khans of Crimea went to orthodox temples to ask the Blessed Virgin for a victory. After getting Crimea turks made Uspenski temple the residence of metropolitan in 1475.


And so on. There are many more facts: in the history of Western Europe, Russia, China, Egypt and all old world we have known from school age. Though we learnt faked history.

 

post is chaotic, but hope you get a clue.

 

 

 

First of all thank you for your lengthy reply..

It was very interesting to read..

But I dont think I will ever believe what you are saying up there..

I dont know which empire you are stating there, which was collapsed and when...

Do you mean Romans? 

And also as far as the dates are concerned in nowadays there are many scientific approaches to determine the dates of the object with pretty good accuracy..

I dont think there will be anything  wrong with the dates..And do not forget , we are talking about the some objects and buildings related to Ottomans and they were very very meticulous about keeping the records!!

Suleyman/Sinan ´repaired´ Hagia Sophia and they  always used it since they captured Istanbul because it is a fantastic building..Blue mosque (which was built by Sultan Ahmed) does not come close to Hagia Sophia in my view (thinking of that, in my view, it is only only Sinan´s mosque in Edirne can match to Hagia Sophia)..

But thanks

303.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 03 Sep 2009 Thu 07:34 pm

 

Quoting ReyhanL

Who can give me a statistic of car accidents on..lets say Ýstanbul during Ramazan and on a normal month ?

 

One has to be an idiot if he/she drives while fasting, aware that fasting lowers his driving capability....There are not many such idiots in Istanbul.

304.       ReyhanL
1961 posts
 03 Sep 2009 Thu 07:42 pm

 

Quoting AlphaF

 

 

One has to be an idiot if he/she drives while fasting, aware that fasting lowers his driving capability....There are not many such idiots in Istanbul.

 

 Maalesef there are. At beginning of Ramazan i saw a small lorry just 500 meters after crossing the giþe on highway. Lost control got of and rolled itself 3 or 4 times. The driver had just few scratches. When people who stopped to see what happend ofered him watter he refused. So he was fasting. My convert-to-islam friend said to me ´ see he is fasting thats why Allah protected him´ . Ý thing because of fasting he had the accident!

 Was around 3 p.m. and very hot outside.



Edited (9/3/2009) by ReyhanL [add]

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