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70.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 24 Aug 2009 Mon 05:43 pm

 

Quoting CANLI

 

 

 Ãm not sure if you are asking about it, or just expressing /voicing your opinion ´which you said you dont  understand the whole ´fasting´ part of Ramazan ´

Fasting is about controlling yourself..the ability of controlling yourself not just about fast over food

But you fast over everything, bad habits, desires, food, water...etc

And try to spend your time for the aim of worshipping ALLAH, not just praying and reading Quran, but worshipping ALLAH at any other form too

To think how to make another family happy, how to help the poor to enjoy Ýftar time as same as you enjoy it, how to try to make no one need anything at that month if we can

That with the hope that spirit will continue through the whole year not only in Ramadan.

How would we control ourselves, our temper and remember that we are fasting even at the crowded traffic when someone may be a cause of an expected accident, how would we control our temper and instead of shout and fight just blame and sort it out and say ´ALLAHUMA Ýnni Sayim´ means ´ ALLAH be witness that im fasting so im controlling myself´

Ýts more than just food issue, and you start Ramadan with the intention of this, and you feel your body more healther after Ramadan, as if you were washing your own blood cells from inside.

And when Ýfrat comes and you start eat, as deli said, it feels like Heaven, you would appreciate what you already have every day, and you would understand what others feel when they cant have them at other days

When you feel hungry during the day, you remember, and telling yourself, now you feel how poor would feel when he´s hungry? People at Somalia....etc

And you would discover another abilities in yourself, that you can survive with less than you thought you would.

Anyway, its joy and only Muslim would understand it.

Ýts hot in our countries, and we fast, dont eat and dont drink, and we wait for Ramadan from year to year eager for it to come, sad its finished.

We love Ramadan, and we celebrate it as much as we can.

 

See I was right about the extra spritual lifting you get during ramadan..

And also, it is glorifying ´the fasting´ to me..

And that is  wrong!!!!!

Possibly no washing of blood cells in reality..

It is all in your head..

Eating after a long time not eating woulf give the same joy..It is not related to religious activity at all..You can be AE, believe in pasta monster, starve yourself 15 hours and then  eat , you get the same feeling basically.

Basically, do not forget the damage fasting might be causing to your internal organs..

(And also actually, with this spritiuality it is hard to see these people will stop  childeren of 13-14-15 years old from fasting when those kids  say they want to fast..Becasue they will feel obliged to fast with that glorifying feeling around them)

71.       CANLI
5084 posts
 24 Aug 2009 Mon 05:53 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

See I was right about the extra spritual lifting you get during ramadan..

And also, it is glorifying ´the fasting´ to me..

And that is  wrong!!!!!

Possibly no washing of blood cells in reality..

It is all in your head..

Eating after a long time not eating woulf give the same joy..It is not related to religious activity at all..You can be AE, believe in pasta monster, starve yourself 15 hours and then  eat , you get the same feeling basically.

Basically, do not forget the damage fasting might be causing to your internal organs..

(And also actually, with this spritiuality it is hard to see these people will stop  childeren of 13-14-15 years old from fasting when those kids  say they want to fast..Becasue they will feel obliged to fast with that glorifying feeling around them)

 

 Haaaa, haaaa, haaaaaaaaaaaaaaa lolllllllllllllll

Ohhhh, handsom, you couldnt resist lol

Ý knew it lollllllllll

Even you said you will stop, but you couldnt... lollllllll

And i knew it lollllllllllll

That post actually was dedicated to you lol

You cant stand it, even i am muslim myself, and im fasting now too, and im saying im enjoying it, and loveing it, and how its related of cource to my religion..islam

STÝLL, you deny it lollllllllll

You DARE to deny me what i feel in order to correct the wrong in  glorifying ´the fasting lollllllllll

Even you try to redirect the issue about children now so we start another debat about it, and you try your best to attack it lol

Nope, not now...im enjoying the glory of my Ýslam now, manybe later when i have more time for fighting after Ýftar , reading Quran, and maybe also praying Teravih too

 

Ohhh Man, accept it

Our Ýslam is our glory to us...like it or not lolllllllllllllllllllll

 

And i will dedicate the post for you lol

72.       CANLI
5084 posts
 24 Aug 2009 Mon 06:03 pm

 

Quoting Elisabeth

 

Muslims are not the only people who understand this concept.  Lent is very similar to Ramadan and although many christians do not celebrate it in the old ways (fasting, prayer and service) it can be a kind of enlightenment for the one participating.  I think many religions participate in ritual fasting and do lots of charity work and I know some people who actually fast for the sake of fasting (some think it is healthy or cleansing) and many people I know donate to charities...these are not specifically muslim traits although I do respect that muslims do this,

 

 

 But you dont fast till specific time of the day, right ?!

Ý mean what i understand, you dont eat some sort of food, and you cook your food with oil not with butter or alike

And that would be for 40 days or something, yes ?!

 

Quote:

 I would hope that the intentions of Ramadan are followed by all man/woman kind. I think deep spiritual reflection can be very fulfilling if it is done with the right intention.

 

Totally agree

 

73.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 24 Aug 2009 Mon 06:08 pm

 

Quoting CANLI

 

 

 Haaaa, haaaa, haaaaaaaaaaaaaaa lolllllllllllllll

Ohhhh, handsom, you couldnt resist lol

Ý knew it lollllllllll

Even you said you will stop, but you couldnt... lollllllll

And i knew it lollllllllllll

That post actually was dedicated to you lol

You cant stand it, even i am muslim myself, and im fasting now too, and im saying im enjoying it, and loveing it, and how its related of cource to my religion..islam

STÝLL, you deny it lollllllllll

You DARE to deny me what i feel in order to correct the wrong in  glorifying ´the fasting lollllllllll

Even you try to redirect the issue about children now so we start another debat about it, and you try your best to attack it lol

Nope, not now...im enjoying the glory of my Ýslam now, manybe later when i have more time for fighting after Ýftar , reading Quran, and maybe also praying Teravih too

 

Ohhh Man, accept it

Our Ýslam is our glory to us...like it or not lolllllllllllllllllllll

 

And i will dedicate the post for you lol

 

So many lols Canli..i THINK It is much related to your blood sugar level..lol 

As you know, all your glory is in your head..

And I am not attacking you..I can assure you

What I am saying is that you are glorifying fasting.

And in my blief IT IS WRONG!!!

What do you mean I can not stand it? of course after all those years I can..lol

But it does not look like you used to someone coming up and saying ´IT IS WRONG´ to you..

Well anyway...

I hope you are keeping your kids away from this..

You keep feeling uplifted while i keep saying that ´it is wrong and the feelings you have are just in your head..You can have the same feelings with other drugs or group theraphy´

 

74.       CANLI
5084 posts
 24 Aug 2009 Mon 06:31 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

..You can have the same feelings with other drugs or group theraphy´

 

 

Yes actually handsom, and im still laughing too lol

Ohhh boy you REALLY cant stand it lol

 

Dont worry about my blood sugar level, im healthy and strong elhamdülillah, i can fast .

Ýt doesnt effect us, but sure it effect people who couldnt take it lolll

Ýts MY head, and its MY glory and its MY religion, what is YOUR problem then ?! lol

 

We are talking about Fasting in Ramadan in Ýslam faith, and you say its wrong in your belief, what belief if i may ask ?

Anti Ýslam belief ?! lol

Sure thats what it seems!

And no, you cant stand it, you cant stand having people proud of their religion, Ýslam and holding tight on it and see it their glory

You keep talking and repeating yourself about freedom, human rights..bla bla ...etc

But when it comes to Ýslam you wipe all of this...the issue to you that Muslims should stop believing in Ýslam, and how can we corrupt it by reforming it.

Anything...but the main thing is...we stop believing in it...!

 

Didnt i tell you, that you had your choice...let us having ours and dont try to impose your guardianship over us

We are not kids, and we are smart, intelligent, have minds and able to use them AND we choose to be muslims still

Just accept it !

 

And have i told you that i have kids so you worry about them ?!

Let´s worry about our kids and you worry about yours.

Or do you want to convert our kids in order be bring them up properly as non muslims ?!!!

And ohhhh, Ý will pick the fasting to enjoy those feelings and will leave  drugs and group theraphy to you !

 Btw, that was low !

Ý didnt force you to believe in my religion, so you SHOULD respect my choice in believing in it !

And not compare it to having drugs !

Ým not mentally ill handsom !



Edited (8/24/2009) by CANLI

75.       lady in red
6947 posts
 24 Aug 2009 Mon 06:50 pm

 

Quoting CANLI

 

 

 lol but all people are not fasting, only Muslims fast

So i guess it should be the other way around...

Because we fast and we can ? lol

 

....I don´t think you got what I meant at all Unsure 

76.       lady in red
6947 posts
 24 Aug 2009 Mon 06:51 pm

 

Quoting Queent

 

 

poor him can and deosn´t

and poor you for not keeping a secret LIR

 

.....and neither did  you Unsure

 

....clearly my career as a stand-up comedian(ienne) is over before it started  Cry

77.       lady in red
6947 posts
 24 Aug 2009 Mon 07:02 pm

Quoting lady in red:

(Please Alameda, Canlý and QueenT etc. - no long posts explaining the true meaning of Ramadan/Ramazan to me - I am not disrespecting Muslims, Islam or Ramazan - just voicing my opinion) 

 

 

Quoting CANLI

 Ãm not sure if you are asking about it, or just expressing /voicing your opinion ´which you said you dont  understand the whole ´fasting´ part of Ramazan ´

 

 

Post dedicated to handsom

 

Glad to hear that!

78.       teaschip
3870 posts
 24 Aug 2009 Mon 07:02 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

While admiring eachother, please be careful with your health

 

Dangers of fasting

...

Fasting can harm all organs. It is extremely dangerous to health, especially for those who are malnourished by chronic illness, yet some proponents recommend fasting to treat chronic illnesses. The slimmer the individual, the more dangerous a fast will be. ....

 

Solid scientific research does not support the claims of fasting advocates. To the contrary, ...

 

Advocates believe that fasting can produce fatigue, anemia, irregular heartbeat, body aches, nausea, dizziness, and other negative effects. ..

 

Contrary to advocacy claims, fasting does not and cannot heal medical conditions, assist immune or other physiological function, or play a role in health maintenance. ...

 

 

I have to agree with you here.  Every health expert I have encountered promotes either 3 balanced meals or 5 small meals a day.  I understand the spirtuality aspect of it since Catholics also give up meat on Fridays through Lent and occassionaly fast.  But times have changed and over the years fasting is not a mandated practice of our faith, it´s more free will for those who find spirtuality in it.  The only thing I have ever taken away from it..is the appreciation to have food.  Mabye there is more to it!<img src='/static/images/smileys//lol.gif' alt='lol'>

 

I can understand how this could be dangerous for some people, even those who aren´t aware they could have an underlying medical condition.  That´s why it should only be for those who volunteer but not mandated as part of their faith.

 

 

79.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 24 Aug 2009 Mon 07:20 pm

It actually sounds funny to me to read about fasting while it is not really fasting but waiting for a huge meal. I don´t mean to insult anybody but if Ramadan was about living on bread and water it would make more sense. Yet it is not eating or drinking anything all day long and making up for it in the evening. It makes as little sense as not eating meat on Fridays that Christians do. How on Earth is it supposed to bring you closer to God? Is your rumbling stomach God´s favourite tune? I think the idea is great, I mean, if you feel hunger you´re more likely to understand people who can´t afford food. Still, the fact that your fast lasts some 12 hours ridicules their pain.

 

Anyway, I don´t understand strong objections some members have here about Ramadan - since it´s entirely up to you whether you want to fast or not, what´s the problem? As for children, well, if their parents are so stupid that they risk not starvation but dehydration, it means the parents are fools, not that the whole fasting idea is stupid. Nobody healthy will die of not eating for 12 hours...If you have a condition you don´t know about you´ll likely discover it and go to hospital. It´s not 7th century

 

To fast or not to fast? - Big Ado About Nothing

80.       Trudy
7887 posts
 24 Aug 2009 Mon 07:22 pm

Not attacking, not hating, just a few questions that I´ve got during the many years I am a teacher with 60% Muslim students now:

 

1. Diabetics do not HAVE to fast, but I know several who do. Partly out of ignorance, they simply don´t believe what the (Western!) doctor says, partly because of ´social pressure´ - everyone around them fasts so they say they feel like ´outcasts´ if they don´t. Why this pressure, why this not believing the doctor?

2. Children are forced (!!) by their parents to fast. I have at least 3 students with young children who have to fast, girls from the age of 9 and boys from 14. Children at that age have not matured, it can´t be healthy for them. Besides, is force allowed? I bet not.

3. I´ve been told that fasting should be like a sacrifice, feeling what less fortunate people have all life for just 28/29 days a year. Half of my Muslim students take a holiday, are not working, not going to school during Ramazan because ´it is too hard to do´. What sacrifice? What compassion?

4. A few (happily a minority) of my students refuse to come to school because we have coffee/tea breaks during 3 hour class and they expect all of us to give that up because they are fasting. (All of us = Catholic, Protestant, Hindu, Agnost and Atheist students/teachers).

 

I´m not making this up, this is what has happened/happens each year. Anyone who can explain?

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