Greetings Metehan,

Don´t waste your time for respnding to a (creative) troll.

Creative trolling

The nature of trolling is to be disruptive, and one of the most disruptive things that can be done is to find new ways to cause trouble that are not quite against the rules. No matter how great your definition of trolling may be, a dedicated troll will find something you have not thought of yet.

I really think you should stop wasting your time with the above subject..

Because you are showing what is insult to you by trying to insult me with saying that ´ah you are a Kurd but disguised as a Turk´!!! (you are shooting yourself on the foot)

Can you see how it looks like/or may look like  from a non Turkish person´s point of view?

-I am saying that ´I am  Turk and I would not blink my eyes to say I am a Kurd so If I was one´.

-You are calling me in a heated debate as ´being a Kurd´. Obviously, you are not trying to compliment me..do you?

- Dont you think that , you are showing ´calling somebody a Kurd or an armenian is an insult´ hence it is not a nice thing? 

why do you think "belonging to a race like Ermenian or Kurdish should be an insult but not belonging to another race like Turks"? What do you think people will think about YOU? eh?

Please yani..

I never used the word Kurd for anybody. Please pay attention to the red bold text. Anybody can go ahead and prove me wrong by quoting it if I did so.

Ooops..

Sorry..I carried away..Not this time..You never used the word Kurd in your post..But I remember you once said ´if I was an Armenian amongs us´ or something similar..-I think it was in Turkish.. am I wrong?

I carried away because somehow we were talking about my ethnicity in my column, despite the fact that it is not related to the topic..

yes I said it but in what context? I explained why I said so. But your native language probably  is not Turkish and naturally you misunderstood me.

Well

Again, you are wrong...My native language is of course Turkish

So, since I misundersoot you when you were saying to me ´you must be an Armenian amongs us Turks´  was a complimentray comment when we were arguing on the matter, I wont insist further

If you want I can explain it here again. But later, I gotta go now. Nadal-Söderling match is due to start.

Lets go back to some basic definitions first :
Definition of racism:
Many definitions are around ..According to the Oxford English Dictionary, racism is a belief or ideology that all members of each racial group possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially to distinguish it as being either superior or inferior to another racial group or racial groups. (from wiki)
According to wiki also it says "According to the United Nations conventions, there is no distinction between the term racial discrimination and ethnic  discrimination."
So ethnic discrimination or "to distinguish a race or a nation as being either superior or inferior to another racial group" is called racism.. 
 
Lets try to understand what people regard in Europe as racism.. just two examples!!:
 
-Kilroy an ex BBC presenter said a few years ago:
We´re told that the Arabs loathe us..... we admire them for being suicide bombers, limb-amputators, women repressors?´ and he was sacked by BBC as being "racist". 
 
-BNP (British national Party) says  "all Pakistanis are raping young girls. They all want Sheria etc". They are the racist party in the UK.. 
.. 
Well..I can keep writing here many many examples to show what remarks categorized as ´racism´ anywhere in the world. 
(apart from Turkey. Because as usual we have our own definition of the things and the definition of nationalism and racism are ´tiny bit different´ )..
 
I tried to explain in my some other posts why there is such a difference:
 
The biggest racist party in Europe is in my country unfortunately.. 
They almost get 20% of the votes.. 
And their racism or their ideas are not treated like they would be treated in Europe. Because, the nationalism has been one of main pillars of our republic, the racists are treated in Turkey as ´ahh..The boys took it to a BIT extreme level..You naughty boys you!!´. In Europe, being a racist is not a thing you can be proud of..That is the reason why all the racist parties try to prove they are not racist. But in Turkey, they are treated as extreme-nationalists. For some, they are heroes..
 
That is the reason, sometimes a Turk can call 20% of Turkish citizens as ´all Kurds are backwards, all of them all feudal, they tend to have larger families, All of them are primitive, they are all tribal people and these are their social character´ and MAY THINK NOTHING IS WRONG WITH IT
 
(I am not even going into how wrong it is from social science point of view as far as ´feudalism/capitalism and the transition from feudalism to capitalism´ are being concerned. They have rules about how/when they exist, how they don´t..you can not come up and say ´ah these people are all feudal´ as if they have always been and they will always be.. Please..be serious bit)
 
Well, look at the definition of racism.. "distinguish a race-nation as being either superior or inferior to another racial group"; look at the examples I have given, look at "what is categorized as racism in the world"!!!
 
How can we categories the words ´Kurds are all tribal people with no culture and we -Turks- want to integrate them -as opposed to what Americans did to Indians- but the problem is their social character´?
informative post?
 
Phew!!  Such a shame!!  
 
ps..I am not asking anybody to get personal with me!! In fact, looking at the previous events and experiences, it is not advised either!!

Let me clearly state my opinion here: "Nobody should insult or criticize somebody just because of he/she belongs to another nation". That is the ugliest thing! We can´t chose our origin, therefore no one can blame us just because of our origin. But we can accuse and blame people if they continuously insult our history, people and culture; specially, if they do it in favour of another nation. Ofcourse, we will be against of Armenian terrorist because they have attacted to innocent Turkish civilians. We will definetely protest the cheap Armenian propagandists due to their false writings on Armenian-Turkish question. But we can never be enemy of simple, ordinary Armenians. We can´t be against of any nation, just because it is another nation. I hope I made clear my opinion and attitude about the nations.

Let´s come to your stuation, thehandsom: Can you please tell me what kind of Turk you are? The only thing you do in this forum is sending the posts in which you always try to give a false image about Turkey and Turks. At the same time, you try to create an innocent, sympathetic (like freedom fighters) image of either Armenian terrorists or Kurdish Terrorists. Many foreigner users in this site are not aware of what has happened in the past and what is happening in the present of Turkey. You insistently misinform them about Turkey and Turkish people. If anyone does a little research on Turkish history, he/she can understand that racism is against our nature. If we had applied racist politics in the past (1000 years) there could be no other nation in Turkey or in the countries ruled by Turks. Many people who belong to different communities, have different origins had been appointed as high burocrats during the Ottoman State. There were many nations under Ottoman rule and no nation lost it´s identity, language and culture. Therefore, just give up accusing the Turks being racist. That attitude and the ideology is totally strange to us. Everbody knows that such ideologies have been produced in West by western thinkers, then spread out all the countries.

Lastly, if you are a just, honest person and don´t have some hidden intent, when you write something in this site, express the different views on the subject. Don´t be one-sided.

One more thing: Don´t we have any good qualities deserving to be mentioned? Are we totally bad? Nothing good with us in the past and present? Just try if you can find someting better to write about Turks.

You are begining to remind me like Iraqi late (mis)Information minister Comical Ali..

Oh oh oh..

So we never had racism..eh? Are you serious?Would you like to check where the biggest racist party in Europe? dont call them-MHP- racist? What about people publicly coming and saying ´ah our Kurds are primitive and you supporting it?´What about murderes of Dink, Ali Agca, all those racist /fascist murderers?.. Dont you have any idea about them? do you know who they are? where have you been living all this time??

So it is all evil west, is it?

So now you begin to start my Turkishness now..eh? I dont think you should really..

And you want to compare Ottoman times in which almost nothing  to do with race at all, with nationalistic ideas of our time? Have you ever read anything about these things? Did you know Kurds rebelled as soon as they learned our republic  would be a single nation state comparing to multinational structure of Ottomans?

I will tell you prove me where I tried to create innocent, sympathetic (like freedom fighters) image of either Armenian terrorists or Kurdish Terrorists..One example..show me one example about it? -ah but according to you talking about Kurdish rights means supporting terrorism..is it not? or me saying that ´we Turks should not call our Kurds as backwards´ means supporting terrorism according to you..is it not? (ON the contrary. I am the one trying to tell you that how we can stop terrorism by cutting all its blood supplies to it by giving natural rights to OUR own people, you are the one coming with -leave it as it is situation/terrorism only/western orientated etc- in which we lost 70.000 people.. Dont you see which position you are?!!!)

From your posts, I can see you are simply naive and not knowing great deal about it!! But please, dont push it..

As a foreigner I have met and spoke to many Turkish and I would unfortunately have to agree,that racist remarks exist.  I have heard on numerous occasions " Oh yes the kurds are (*&^%^&&^ all negative comments ) but we are living in harmony we don´t have a problem with kurds. I have also heard half-breed  referrals for everyone who is not 100% Turk

I am not going say anything about the politic because I can find that everywhere on internet. I  think originally this forum was started for us foreigners to understand the cultural differences - like food or holiday festival activities.

http://www.usm.maine.edu/lac/ot/divman/Kurdish.pdf

http://www.kwintessential.co.uk/resources/global-etiquette/turkey-country-profile.html

hope that helps

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ei65sebL1U

http://www.selenasol.com/selena/struggle/kurds.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeaGHBL06rc

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071217193558AAemz2T

http://marmarisfans.com/index.php?s=7c3f4ef57487d94131ead0287778736d&showtopic=898&view=findpost&p=14803