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The differences in culture - Turkish/Kurdish
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140.       Gülümseme
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 06 Jun 2010 Sun 10:14 pm

 

Quoting metehan2001

 

If do some foreigner and  native users of the site had kept on criticizing and abusing British Government, people, and their attitude towards Irish people, how could you feel? Don´t you tell them that "Just a minute, this is an English Language Class website and what you are doing here is not good. You lied enough about our country and people, now it is time to change the subject and talk something better?".

 

 We do it enough ourselves, so if others wanted to do it as well, the more the merrier

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141.       alameda
3499 posts
 06 Jun 2010 Sun 10:22 pm

Here is what you said.....: "As a foreigner I have met and spoke to many Turkish and I would unfortunately have to agree,that racist remarks exist.  I have heard on numerous occasions " Oh yes the kurds are (*&^%^&&^ all negative comments ) but we are living in harmony we don´t have a problem with kurds. I have also heard half-breed  referrals for everyone who is not 100% Turk"

 

The impression you gave, by omission, is that this negative comments and more are common in Turkey.

Quoting Paramedic

 

 

errrrr uhmmmmmm I never said I have not spoke to Turks that do not mention this because I have and I have but I was saying that you can not be blind this does exist. I was debating the suggestion that metehan2001 had made that it does not exist. I do agree that this is subject all to personal opinion. I am not saying anything wrong about the Turkish people they have brought to this world many good thing and also have a wonderful rich history. I was merely stating I have heard this personally and I can find this on websites to substaniate a problem. That was all. All in all my introduction to turkish culture and  hospitality has been wonderful but in every country including my own there are issues that exist. Back to you ..... and where is my coffee and cookies I would love some Turkish desserts too please

 

No coffee and cookies from me....and no Turkish desserts either. I am not a Turk and do not posess that hospitality. If you are nice I may reconsider, but I don´t give unwarranted rewards.

142.       lady in red
6947 posts
 06 Jun 2010 Sun 10:22 pm

 

Quoting Gülümseme

 

 

 We do it enough ourselves, so if others wanted to do it as well, the more the merrier

 

Exactly!  I originally put something similar  in my post - but I was rambling on a bit and took it out before I posted!  

143.       Paramedic
24 posts
 06 Jun 2010 Sun 10:25 pm

 

Quoting lady in red

 

 

I was disagreeing with your comment that ´these people´ never talk about Turkish language or culture.  

 

I am English - we are well used to foreigners criticizing and abusing our government and institutions, especially among those who have chosen to live there.

 

No-one on Turkish Class has influenced my personal opinion of Turkey and the Turkish people -I can make up my own mind. 

 

I think you missed his point, he was addressing that on this site many people write deflamatory remarks against Turkey and in reality there are enough of those sites elsewhere. Here is to be a welcome to Turkish Language and perhaps some interesting and nice facts to show off some of the culture. Personally I can go to anyweb page to find bad things to read but when I am here as a foreigner I would like to see the positive side of wanting to learn the language, history and culture. I am surprised that this exists on here as your welcome letter to me states a pleasant time from the admin.  I have read so many slanderous and bad articles on here about turkey - actually more than positive


 

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144.       lady in red
6947 posts
 06 Jun 2010 Sun 10:33 pm

 

Quoting Paramedic

 

 

I think you missed his point, he was addressing that on this site many people write deflamatory remarks against Turkey and in reality there are enough of those sites elsewhere. Here is to be a welcome to Turkish Language and perhaps some interesting and nice facts to show off some of the culture. Personally I can go to anyweb page to find bad things to read but when I am here as a foreigner I would like to see the positive side of wanting to learn the language, history and culture. I am surprised that this exists on here as your welcome letter to me states a pleasant time from the admin.  I have read so many slanderous and bad articles on here about turkey - actually more than positive


 

 

 

OK point taken - but my point was that I have not been influenced by this type of comment - don´t you think most sensible, educated people (as most of the regular site members are) will be the same?  Do you think people have actually been put off visiting Turkey because of comments made on the site? 

145.       metehan2001
501 posts
 06 Jun 2010 Sun 10:43 pm

 

Quoting Paramedic

 

 

I think you missed his point, he was addressing that on this site many people write deflamatory remarks against Turkey and in reality there are enough of those sites elsewhere. Here is to be a welcome to Turkish Language and perhaps some interesting and nice facts to show off some of the culture. Personally I can go to anyweb page to find bad things to read but when I am here as a foreigner I would like to see the positive side of wanting to learn the language, history and culture. I am surprised that this exists on here as your welcome letter to me states a pleasant time from the admin.  I have read so many slanderous and bad articles on here about turkey - actually more than positive


 

 

 +10000 and more

 

146.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 06 Jun 2010 Sun 11:17 pm

 

Quoting Paramedic

 

 

I think you missed his point, he was addressing that on this site many people write deflamatory remarks against Turkey and in reality there are enough of those sites elsewhere. Here is to be a welcome to Turkish Language and perhaps some interesting and nice facts to show off some of the culture. Personally I can go to anyweb page to find bad things to read but when I am here as a foreigner I would like to see the positive side of wanting to learn the language, history and culture. I am surprised that this exists on here as your welcome letter to me states a pleasant time from the admin.  I have read so many slanderous and bad articles on here about turkey - actually more than positive


 

 

 

Can you show us about those ´deflamatory remarks against Turkey´? can you show any bad things you read? can you give some examples? I know there were some belittling Kurds, calling ethnic minorities as backwards etc going on but plewase give us some more example!!

"slanderous and bad articles on here about turkey" any examples? Any thing you thought might be lies?  When I see some of my county men going racist (subsequently giving bad names to all Turks and scaring the foreigners from coming to Turkey) I always object and warn them..

 



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147.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 06 Jun 2010 Sun 11:28 pm

 

Quoting metehan2001

 

 

 I think the original name of the site is "  They have limited subjects: Armenian and Kurdish "Question". That´s all they want to talk about. It is clear that what they are doing here is their professional job which has been given them by somebody or some organisation. Their duty is cursing, blaming, insulting and criticizing the Turks, their life, culture and social structure. You can not get true information from them. Because their starting point is not truth. They are here just to misinform the people who are not well-informed yet about Turkey and Turks.

Maybe the administrators should stop these people sending rubbish informations on the same topics, soon, then the TC. Forum will become again a really informative, helpful and enjoyable one for both foreigners and native users.

 

Can you prove any of those things you mentioned above? any of them? only one of them?

How embaresing to see some of my country men trying to resort to cencorship as if we are living in a military dictatorship.. It is like 1980´s Turkey.. Some one tries to tell some real things about Turkey, jail him; silence him... Important thing is what are the foreigners think.. As if foreigners are stupid and unable to see what is what!!

 

 

148.       metehan2001
501 posts
 06 Jun 2010 Sun 11:33 pm

 

Quoting Gülümseme

 

 

 We do it enough ourselves, so if others wanted to do it as well, the more the merrier

 

 If you do something wrong yourselves in UK , try to stop it. The case is not the same with Turkey. Turkish Government and people are not in a war with our Kurdish people. We are all citizens of Turkey and have the same rights. Just a small amount of Kurdish people live in South-East Region of Turkey and some Turkish people also live in the same region. More than the Kurdish people living in the mentioned area, millions of them live in the west and other region of Turkey. They are our neighbors, friends and family members (there are millions of marriages between Turks and Kurds). So, even if one thinks a discrimination between Turks and Kurds, it is not possible to realize it. 

Turks and Kurds are not hate eachother but both hate  PKK Terrorist Orgazisation which aims an independent Kurdistan in South-East Turkey through cruel and horrible attacks. Almost every weak a hurtful news comes on tv and newspapers: The PKK attack caused some Turkish soldiers´ death in the regon. We have been keeping on listening those news for 30 years, and naturally some Turkish young and illiterate man or some Turkish people who lost their family members in PKK attacks, get more angry and start blaming PKK and Kurdish people in general. But this doesn´t mean that any sensible ordinary Turkish gets angry and against Kurds. Well, a provocateur can take some small incidents and show them as sample or proof of Turkish hate towards Kurds in general.  But this is not true. As an ordinary and typical Turkish person I declare once more here: "I don´t have any problems with Kurdish people and there is no disrimination for Kurdish people in Turkey. You can not take single examples as if they are in general.

149.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 06 Jun 2010 Sun 11:40 pm

 

Quoting metehan2001

 

 

 So, do you think that they have right to continue their nonsese activities? Is it so difficult to say that "Yes, the name of this site is "Turkish Language Class" and we want to hear something meaningful, something which deserve our attention, something which make us feel better, think better related to Turkey? Is it so hard to say those people "Hey, that is enough! You have done your duty more than enough and we don´t want/need to hear anymore about that disgusting and insulting comments about Turkish people and the country.

Just imagine, you are an English and this could be an "English Language Class" site. If do some foreigner and  native users of the site had kept on criticizing and abusing British Government, people, and their attitude towards Irish people, how could you feel? Don´t you tell them that "Just a minute, this is an English Language Class website and what you are doing here is not good. You lied enough about our country and people, now it is time to change the subject and talk something better?".

 

Ok I am telling Metehan, ´hey that is enough, you have done your duty more than enough-we dont want to hear you insulting Turkey anymore´ -This is really embarresing for me for example..people will think everyone in Turkey is like you!!! btw..who is paying you to do this?

Anyway, I think again, I will ask you to prove any of the lies you are mentioning !!! if you can not than we have to talk about who is a lier I am afraid..

 

ps..You are doing the same thing in my columns..coming and copying and pasting something, crying, calling admins to tell me off or be sensible, jumping up and down etc..But I wrote overthere..´here are things I have written..take them , line by line, critisize them, tell the truth according to you.. If you can..

can you?

I really think that you are abit naive about these things. Because you are talking like our ex  dictator Kenan Evren would talk..It is exactly the same way..You dont have ideas about these subjects; you did not read; you did not investigate; you have just believed what you were told; and they were telling lies to you!!..Please stop..

150.       Gülümseme
posts
 06 Jun 2010 Sun 11:51 pm

 

Quoting metehan2001

 

 

 If you do something wrong yourselves in UK , try to stop it. The case is not the same with Turkey. Turkish Government and people are not in a war with our Kurdish people. We are all citizens of Turkey and have the same rights. Just a small amount of Kurdish people live in South-East Region of Turkey and some Turkish people also live in the same region. More than the Kurdish people living in the mentioned area, millions of them live in the west and other region of Turkey. They are our neighbors, friends and family members (there are millions of marriages between Turks and Kurds). So, even if one thinks a discrimination between Turks and Kurds, it is not possible to realize it. 

Turks and Kurds are not hate eachother but both hate  PKK Terrorist Orgazisation which aims an independent Kurdistan in South-East Turkey through cruel and horrible attacks. Almost every weak a hurtful news comes on tv and newspapers: The PKK attack caused some Turkish soldiers´ death in the regon. We have been keeping on listening those news for 30 years, and naturally some Turkish young and illiterate man or some Turkish people who lost their family members in PKK attacks, get more angry and start blaming PKK and Kurdish people in general. But this doesn´t mean that any sensible ordinary Turkish gets angry and against Kurds. Well, a provocateur can take some small incidents and show them as sample or proof of Turkish hate towards Kurds in general.  But this is not true. As an ordinary and typical Turkish person I declare once more here: "I don´t have any problems with Kurdish people and there is no disrimination for Kurdish people in Turkey. You can not take single examples as if they are in general.

 

 ummm did I say you were any of the above ? no I made no comment that I thought you were ..Me senses a bit of defensiveness 



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