Interesting facts about Gaziantep. It makes me wonder, which came first... underdevelopment or support for terrorism. Which is the cause, which is the effect? I can see how an unstable scoiety, which supports terrorism, will have difficulty to develop itself. On the other hand, if people are poor, and they see that they live in an underdeveloped society, this can actually lead to terrorism. A feeling of resentment of the "have nots"  towards the "haves" Complex, perhaps it is a circle, with no clear cause and effect, but which needs to be broken in any case.

Does it make sense to clear up your mind if i tell you that the GDP per capita of any cities in the south east was almost the same with the ones in the west when the republic was established?

One more thing, Gaziantep was less developed than Van, Diyarbakır and Sanliurfa. But Antep passed them.

Batman owns the largest petrolium sources of Turkey but it is one of the least developed city in Turkey.

Considering all those, i think terrorism is the couse and underdevelopment is the affect.

Be sure me and the people whom i brainstormed with was so critical while we debate on Kurdish problem and the main results of all those debates are;

- Feudal social structure is the biggest problem of the south east

- Foreign countries even Turkey´s allies support terrorism and that support must be cut

- Militarial actions can not be substituted but the goverment has to develop social projects more

What do you mea with foreig countries? Do you mean foreign goverments, or individual people (for example people who have ancestors from the Kurdish region) who give financial or other support?

This is a sensitive subject and one with no easy answers unless you are taking sides. We have been discussing this in various circles for a few decades now. We are still without answers...

Society functions in a weird way. It rarely listens to prescriptions others come up with. It follows its on natural course instead. This course of development can get bitter at times. Sometimes blood is shed, thousands are killed, some clap their hands and some shed tears.

This is not a problem between a singular Kurdish person and a singular Turk. Not a single sentence can depict the complexity of the feud that is going on between tens of millions of people. Furthermore, people are fed misinformation which they hold on to as plain truth. They spent life times believing in things they are told.

Regardless of what your IQ  level is, and what kind of an education you have in your background, you simply can´t understand, nor can you offer solutions for the victims of this feud.

P.S. All my "you"s are literal.

I rather mean governments. But, individuals not blaming terrorism is heart breaking.

From the other side of the planet, I have enjoyed learning Turkish ... a great deal! It is a beautiful language ... with a very historical and beautiful culture ... riddled with evidence of the human ´animal.´ As a human animal, it is reassuring to hear that, all over the world, we all are caught up in similar rubbish at times! Sometimes we are so busy with the minutia in our differences, we lose the key points in our similar matters of the heart and day-to-day living. Dialogs, such as this, and opportunities to learn about each other are wonderful gifts and I enjoy, with great interest, the effort and insight this group demonstrates in getting past the superficial ... and down to the things that really matter. It helps me in my process to grow as a human successfully with my animal tendencies. All the best to everyone! (Thank you for the opportunity to comment.)

I think this is a problem that I see in both sides of this conflict. I knew some people who were very supportive of the PKK (which led to some heated arguments with yours truly ) and I noticed that when this person moved abroad, he changed his opinion. He started to see this issue from different sides, and came into contact with new "sources of information."

In any case, I think the first step in trying to solve parts of the issue, is in uderstanding what the actual problem is. Although, like in any conflict of this sort, there is not one cause and not one solution. For example, the feudal system of the Kurds might be part of the problem, but it can never be the whole problem. Therefor, working against this feudal system can never be the whole solution. But just because I know my limitations, of never being able to understand the full complexity of the problem, doesn´t mean I should stop trying to understand the problem. Nobody ever created something good by giving up, because he/she knew he/she was just one person.

You are right barba mama. Anything related to human is complex. Even if its about just one single person´s decision; lots of different variables affect it. Considering about a group of peoples´ social structures that complexity turns to be quite knotty.

However, all problems has relativly significant reasons. Most problems include sine qua non solutions. And it is not so easy to solve the whole complexity of matters. That is why social scientists focus on most significant reasons of the problems and sin qua non solutions of them. The matter is determining those reasons and solitions closest to the right.

That is why i pointed out just three main reasons and sin qua non solutions of the problem although the there are many more reasons like ethnocentrism, social schizophrenia, migration etc. etc.

Anyway to close this wide paranthesis and turn back to the main topic of the thread; i want to write down a cultural difference between Kurdish and Turkish people. Kurdish society use Davul (a kind of local drum ) and zurna (shrill pipe) very well in their folkloric songs.

Here is a sample; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5POgLdIFQQ

 are u sure davul(drum) and surna used in kurdish culture.??? yes it is used but these instrument are also used in blacksea region  into turkish and greek in greece that was taken by ppl who  moved from blacksea...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDt6uEKv_T8

this is not differences between 2 cultures it is common before posting this kind of things, make a search and be sure

DJ

To tell the truth, i wrote it down to talk about sth easy.

Its not so possible to find out differences between two societies which are that stick to each other.

Let me correct my statement as; I like the way Kurdish people play davul and zurna as a guy from the black sea...