You always say they do terrorism but they have reasons right? Thats absolutely how you justify terrorism. If a person supports peace s/he must stop with blaming all kind of terrorists. The approach of "my terrorists is good, they have reasons for that" just deepens the problem. You must quit that as soon as possible.

I certainly know what i said in all my posts. Because i didn´t build up those ideas nowadays. But i will repeat again in order you do not understand or you distort facts. The main problem of Turkey is terrorism. Terrorists do not represent Kurdish people. They work for the sake of foreign secret services. 

There is a Kurdish problem also which is absolutely different than terrorism. I mentioned how that problem can be solved in my previous posts and i guess we agreed in many points.

And yes we will show the arm to terrorists if they do not surrounder. That is a strategy called carret and stick. That strategies effectiveness is tested in the solution of different ethnic problems. But i wont go into academic details of it for you to understand it You don´t even understand single words, i will not confuse you with academic discussions.

About the number of Kurds, why don´t you tell that to 1000 people who made that study i referred. They are not Turkish at all. But shitting peoples expertises is your style if you don´t like the results of them right? Thats why i tell you don´t look for truth but try to dictate your ideas. 

Production of education system mean? What a huge sentence. Wow. Stop talking nonsenses dude. That education system raised Muzaffer Sherifs, Şerif Mardins, Vamık Volkans etc.

Handsome, have you ever fight with your gf, wife or friend etc? To end the fight and let both sides to think calmer you have to stop talking about the problems. If you keep talking about problems always, you just blame each other, many times by overreacting. That is why i hold out the olive branch to you, to think calmer. But i think i am right to think that you are fed by fights. Thats why you don´t want to stop. Generally ladies act like that. They always keep asking but why? But why? But you did that! etc. We man must calm them down those times to go on our relationship right?

So i just ask you to act just like a handsome guy acts.

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You didn´t understand again what i said. I said sth better than that. Turkish Goverment has to treat Kurdish people as she want Turkish society to be treated in Western Therace. (Batı Trakya Batı Trakya) Kapiş?

Why don´t you visit me at school one day? We drink tea. Its mine! So you can send your best regards to my lecturers yourself. May be you get some inspiration... Which ones do you wish to meet? Sedat Laçiner? İhsan Bal?

Blimey you are still here..and determined to eat watermelon this time..

Look ..I never consider you as my gf or my wife..

I never did and I will never do ..OK?  

Also I dont like you categorising ´women is like that´ ´men is like that; men calm the situations´ etc type of typical sexist approach. Are they teaching you those sexist views in school?..Stop thinking about my blood pressure, I am calm as the dead sea here ..

I will have to lock this thread if you continue posting messages:

* justifying terror

* declaring the Turkish Army incompetent (without going into speculation about whether it is right or wrong: this may constitute a crime in Turkey)

* personal attacks

* anti-Dutch, anti-Turkish, anti-Kurdish etc. sentiments.

Although, I believe Turkey has much more freedom of speech and criticizing  the army is allowed in democracies and also you would not object me criticizing the education system or the judiciary  but,  I did modify my post and deleted a line..

Saying that ´terrorism is the result of some other problems´ is nothing to do with justification of terrorism. That is what I believe..

But if you read everything from the beginning, I think you should start deleting your own posts for personal attacks, for being anti-Kurdish and for being anti-Turkish..

But anyway, nice to see that your mod powers are back  and I deleted the line.. 

Thank you I have edited some posts including mine and removed personal attacks that came to my attention. It is users´ duty to edit their posts to remove such attacks. If it is too obvious or too disparaging to wait for user action, I may edit them instantly: e.g. swear words, unethical phrases etc.

Please advise me your complaints...

I am not a lawyer but a quick google search reveals a Turkish Penal Code Law Paragraph 318 entitled "Discouraging people to perform military service." You are a certain John Doe addressing people through Turkish Class. If a judge decides that a negative propoganda of the Turkish Military is being made through this site, site owners will have to bear the consequences. This might include imposing a legal ban on access to the site for Turkish users.

Do you remember why google was banned. It is not the only site, for example, thousands of sites operating under Geosites are also banned because somebody cursed Ataturk or the like.

Again I am not saying I support these laws but as long as they are in effect, we must observe them.

I had said something similar about banning this site 1 or 2 years ago. Pointing out posts of guess-who.

It´s all a matter of filing a complain to the court about this site. I PM´d admin about this and he didn´t sound caring about it too much.

Anyway. Maybe hansom would like it better because many Turkish members would not be able sign on anymore.

I dont understand why cant hairy say anything even if it meant criticism? I am not pro demo(n)carcy or freedom stuff, but still I think he should have his two pennies in no matter how "devastating" his comments are.

Lets discuss without belittling each other or name calling when you lack arguments. Come on, people, be men, have cool heads!

Is this your answer to the owner of those word? 

Turkish Government has to treat Kurdish people as they she wants how Turkish society would be treated in Western Thrace. Even the connotation of discrimination is not acceptable. Turkish Government has to acquire Kurdish people’s trust back regardless why and how it spoiled. Even the sympathizers trust. This is our country, these are our people and this is our problem.  

Local Governments reform is a must. Local Governments has to be empowered.  Primary education, basic healthcare and police services must be introduced by local governments. Selective local language courses must be allowed at primary schools according to the needs of the city. Local government’s tax revenues must be increased harmoniously with their new duties according. Central Government must make the re-distribution of tax revenues according to population or the tax revenue that is acquired in the borders of the municipality. In that point a risk occurs. That is, even now, with lower incomes, some municipalities help PKK, how to prevent that that illegal finance transfer? The Government has to establish a very effectual audit mechanism. She has to designate the standards of service introduction and has to make a performance audit which has legal and financial enforcements. The second problem is nepotism and that would again be prevented with audits. There must be clear standards of recruitment and contracts processes. The audits must be made to increase service quality and prevent corruptions. If the central government plays the inspector role rather than service provider role, that increases service quality.

Land reform has to be done. The feudal structure must be put away. All people have to be individuals who are not bounded to feudal leaders. That reform must be done by encouragement to prevent feudal leader’s resistance. Such as barter can be offered to those leaders. Industrial plant real estates can be given to those leaders in response to their agriculture lands. And the lands can be given to villagers without lands who work on that land. The government must provide extensive agriculture consultancy service to those villagers. So with land reform, industrial capacity and agricultural capacity would also be increased while people become free individuals. 

Periodic forgiveness must be provided for the terrorists just for once. That period must be no longer than three months. That period is enough for the publicity of the policy and enough for terrorists to abandon their guns and run away from the organism. Those who abandon their guns must be obliged to work in public services for 5-10 years. Those services must be mostly the ones those are provided for martyr soldiers’ families. New identities can also be given to them.  They have to be monitored by the government. At the end of that 3 months process Turkish army must enter terrorist camps in Northern Iraq, Avaşin Basyan, Hakurk Zap etc an destroy them at all. Turkish army must stay in those camps until absolute security is established. 

Economic clusters must be established in all regions. Industrial promotes must be implemented in the regions according to comparative industrial production superiorities. But that has to be audited well to prevent corruptions. 

And finally exchange programs must be organised to increase the harmony between Kurdish and Turkish people.

That is the difference between you and me. I show my arm to terrorists, you want to show urs to people who spends all their times on the sloution. Ehy are you feeling restless when a person mentions "PKK will end and Kurdish and Turkish people will live in peace" Do you support PKK?

In order to find solution and debate i posted that message;

I think we both said enough about that issue. Thats why I will not answer you.

And you please, do not begin threads about PKK for a long time. If someone starts a topic about PKK lets just refer those threads. Because a problem must not been talked again and again and again.

Whatever thought is told by both sides. Now lets stop. PKK is not the only matter about Turkey! I am sure PKK and Kurdish problem is not the only thing that followers of that site wonders. Lets talk something different from now on. And wait and see who is right.

OK? Deal?

Is this your answer to that post? Is this your way of solving problems? Is this your style of peace building? If you cannot even get on with me, who will you get on with? Or you don´t want to deal with anybody but just dictate your ideas? My lecturers tought me that this is not the way how the prblems are getting solved. If only you could just attend one of our lectures. May be you would think of stopping to fed up with fight! I will not be a part of your silly game. There are more important games to be played!

Another difference between me and you is, when you think that you lose debates you just appeal personal attacks. Because you are in love with yourselve and I am trying to solve the problem.

You are an easy picking for me, so even if i humiliate you 10 times a day, that does not add anything to the solution of the problem. Thats why, i have answers to all words but i look if the word is word, and than i look at the man if he is a man or not?

I have no answers to you!