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130.       oeince
582 posts
 23 Jul 2010 Fri 01:48 am

Seems you dont know how to read. 

A PKK supporter EU MP declares that there is an armed training camp in Larzac 1 KM away from the French army. You do not even believe the PKK symphatisan?

As you say, Phew {#emotions_dlg.silenced}

Than listen and watch...

http://www.beyazgazete.com/video/2010/03/13/fransa-dan-pkk-itirafi-atv.html

131.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 23 Jul 2010 Fri 02:09 am

 

Quoting oeince

Seems you dont know how to read. 

A PKK supporter EU MP declares that there is an armed training camp in Larzac 1 KM away from the French army. You do not even believe the PKK symphatisan?

As you say, Phew {#emotions_dlg.silenced}

Than listen and watch...

http://www.beyazgazete.com/video/2010/03/13/fransa-dan-pkk-itirafi-atv.html

 

Just read above..

I believe the guy is a PKK/Kurdish supporter.. And he is trying to show PKK symphathetic.

And saying that ´A terrorist organization is being trained with arms in France´ wont go very well with public.. The MP is trying to get that Kurdish guy out of prison.. "He was running a terrorist camp and they were training armed militants" will be a very stupid comment if you are trying to help the guy.. yes?

I will really investigate further if you give the source in French!! Because the sources I am able to see about this is not same as translated into Turkish. Even a french person is unable to see and find the way it is being mentioned in Turkish media..

So nothing has changed I am a fraid..

 

132.       vineyards
1954 posts
 23 Jul 2010 Fri 02:48 am

OK I am giving up. I confess:

Israel is the land of angels. They stay away from other people´s business and mind their own business. They don´t have a nationalist government in power and its people are fond of singing We Are The World, We Are he Children faithful to the original lyrics (see youtube).

They are not backing the Kurds and you know what; they love those nasty Palestinians. There is no blockade in Ghazza. All that they are doing is teaching Ghazzans a lesson to help them to become better humans.

 

They did not kill the people on MV Blue Marmara, stray bullets found the victims perchance. Israeli soldiers attacked that boat in the international waters to find a chance to defend themselves. As a manifestation of how excellent they are defensively they crushed the skull of one of the victims by firing 5 shots from short distance.

133.       oeince
582 posts
 23 Jul 2010 Fri 03:18 am

I wrote to European Parliament for the record of the press meeting.

Lets see if they provide me the record or not.

Will you declare that you are a liar if they send?

134.       oeince
582 posts
 23 Jul 2010 Fri 03:20 am

BTW the links you send are totally unrelevent to the news i sent.

The news is about a press meeting on the 13th of March in European Parliament in Strasbourg.

135.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 23 Jul 2010 Fri 10:53 am

I think Israel is too busy blocking Gaza and messing around there to go and attack Turkish soldiers through PKK. Like I said in another thread, there are grey areas. Saying Israel is not connected to PKK, is not the same as saying that Israel is not oppressing Palestinians. Saying that Israel is doing horrible things against Palestinians, is not the same as saying that Palestinians are angels (I will not forget the many bus bombings I saw on the news, and people from the older generation will never forget Munich). Saying that Israel is doing bad things, is also not the same as saying that they are creating a second holocaust, or the same as saying that the holocaust never happened.

Bah, I´m so disappointed at the lack of logical reasoning that people use. Why do you have to create linkages with so little proof? If you look for a link, and THEN for the proof, you will always find little clues. If you say "Hi, barba_mama is a supporter of PKK", you can also find vague proof for this. Logical thinkig is first having the question, then finding the answer through proof. Conspiracy theorist have the answer, and then find proof that will only confirm their answer (instead of looking for evidence that can also deny it.)

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136.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 23 Jul 2010 Fri 11:32 am

 

Quoting vineyards

OK I am giving up. I confess:

Israel is the land of angels. They stay away from other people´s business and mind their own business. They don´t have a nationalist government in power and its people are fond of singing We Are The World, We Are he Children faithful to the original lyrics (see youtube).

They are not backing the Kurds and you know what; they love those nasty Palestinians. There is no blockade in Ghazza. All that they are doing is teaching Ghazzans a lesson to help them to become better humans.

 

They did not kill the people on MV Blue Marmara, stray bullets found the victims perchance. Israeli soldiers attacked that boat in the international waters to find a chance to defend themselves. As a manifestation of how excellent they are defensively they crushed the skull of one of the victims by firing 5 shots from short distance.

 

Ha ha

You have made my day with this post!!{#emotions_dlg.flowers}{#emotions_dlg.flowers}{#emotions_dlg.flowers}

The logic here is : "Isreal´s cruelty is indexed to my "fantasies", if you are not accepting my fantasies then you are a supporter of Israel and her actions". lol lol 

Do you have more of this? {#emotions_dlg.lol_fast} 

137.       vineyards
1954 posts
 23 Jul 2010 Fri 01:18 pm

Barba and thehandsom. I suggest that you should go and get a dictionary to look up the exact meaning of suspicion and explain to me the role of suspicion in the US invasion of Iraq and the execution of their legitimate leader.

Legally, politically and military wise, suspicion is a step towards subsequent procedural actions. The police may apprehend you on the basis of suspicion, a judge may arrest you on the same ground. Although your verdict is not given, you may have a hard time trying to defend yourself. All of this may happen to you on the ground of mere suspicion.

Likewise governments tend to keep vital information confidential. Other governments may become suspicious of them and ask for an explanation. The West is currently suspicious of Iran´s nuclear program although the latter repeatedly wowed that they are seeking to use that technology for non-military purposes. Turkey and Brazil acted as moderator and persuaded Iran to deliver their uranium in exchange of nuclear power plant grade uranium. The aforementioned parties considered this as a confidence boosting step but guess what the West would not be satisfied and put pressure on the moderators instead. Iran is being threatened by military action and what is the reason here: suspicion. Has it been substantiated? No it is mere suspicion. Probably, much the same as the unsubstantiated suspicion over Iraq.

Well, my wise guys, now answer my question. All the civilized world can capitalize on their suspicions killing tens of thousands of people if need be but I can not link actions together and develop a suspicion.

 

 



Edited (7/23/2010) by vineyards

138.       vineyards
1954 posts
 23 Jul 2010 Fri 01:26 pm

I am sorry I misunderstood you. You are doing this to set a new Guiness world record as the thickest person on the planet. Wow, man, I can post you a few more difficult texts to make your reactions look real.

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

The logic here is : "Isreal´s cruelty is indexed to my "fantasies", if you are not accepting my fantasies then you are a supporter of Israel and her actions". lol lol 

Do you have more of this? {#emotions_dlg.lol_fast} 

 

 

139.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 23 Jul 2010 Fri 01:33 pm

 

Quoting vineyards

I am sorry I misunderstood you. You are doing this to set a new Guiness world record as the thickest person on the planet. Wow, man, I can post you a few more difficult texts to make your reactions look real.

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

The logic here is : "Isreal´s cruelty is indexed to my "fantasies", if you are not accepting my fantasies then you are a supporter of Israel and her actions". lol lol 

Do you have more of this? {#emotions_dlg.lol_fast} 

 

 

 

I was really serious!! 

It was one of the funniest things I have had since I woke up!!

I mean I M DEAD SERIOUS.. Dont you see how childish and how funny it is?

I mean ´if you dont believe my FANTASIES YOU are supporter of Israel´. 

Dont you see that? {#emotions_dlg.lol_fast}{#emotions_dlg.lol_fast}

Please post more.. I am really having a boring day here..

140.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 23 Jul 2010 Fri 01:55 pm

The suspecion for Iran comes from the following...

1) Iran has imported the materials required to make nuclear weapons.

2) Iranian scientist have been caught spying in foreign universities and research centres, at the nuclear deparments (including a Dutch university)

3) Iran has SAID itself that it is going to "whipe out" Israel... you can´t whipe out a whole country with a cat-fight.

 

So, what are the actual facts that link Israel to PKK, instead of hear-say and vague camps in France? (I don´t know why a French camp was brought into this, but hey, I´m showing that I read the thread ) And like I said before, hear-say doesn´t count. I can claim here that the Turkish government has plans to take over the world, through Koç holdings, but my words don´t count as proof. Even though I´m a scientist {#emotions_dlg.computer}

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