what a pity

i really expected that you may see the truths that time...

Anyway, no need to lose more time with a person like you who have too many free times.

Now i must go to work to destroy your leaders

Well, it was time for you to go back to your verses of quran anyway..

I simply asked you to show me the proof..Just simply!!

YOU are UNABLE to show any.. which I knew you could not...

Oeince, please, when you quote Koran verses, can you also post your comments to them? I for instance need to know the meaning and purpose of the quoted verses. Thank you.

Dear Lemon,

As you may read, thehandsom keeps asking for proofs about the support of foreign countries to the PKK.

I posted three articles those display the foreign support to PKK which are not suspects but the facts.

One of them is about a PKK camp in France that is open for fifteen years, the other is about the propaganda TV of the PKK that is being broadcasted from Denmark and the last one is about Israeli Officials who train the PKK militants. It was possible to widen the examples but I didn’t want to bore people with long articles.

However, thehandsom claims that those facts are not proofs. Although most probably he didn’t read them he writes his ideas with capital letters with his usual ugly writing style. That is why, I quoted from the Quran to say; even if I give the Sun to one of his hand and the Moon to the other one as a proof he would not still believe. These verses are mostly about the ones who do not believe the realities regardless how much clear are those. Also I added some verses about not to create defeatism in the world. These were about the PKK and the main topic of this thread, Israel.

BTW, I know there are a lot of non – Muslims in that forum. I respect their beliefs either. I addressed the Quran in order I think that thehandsom is Muslim. I wanted to remind him the holy books sentences about his approaches.

I hope those explanations would be useful for you.

As i told before, i am trying to write people as they deserve.

Here is a respectful study about ethno-linguistic structures of the world. 

I think the ones who seek the truth rather than distorting the facts would find intersting information in it about the ethno-linguistic structure of the world and Turkey as well.

World: http://www.ethnologue.com/home.asp

Turkey: http://www.ethnologue.com/show_country.asp?name=TRA

I think explained to you but somehow you dont want to understand..

The camp in France is obviously not a camp!! If it was Turkey would call our ambassador you believe me on that .. I also gave you examples from the UK. Those clubs/organizations etc are not considered as terrorist camps.. I also explained why by saying that ´in the west, under normal circumstances, if you dont take a pistol and shoot people, you can not shut those places and you can not jail those people!!!!´ 

Yes, there are clubs here in the uk.. Posters are everywhere.. PKK flags are everywhere in those clubs.. But so what?

They are not called camps!! Of course you used to see Kurdish politicians being jailed. And you want the same thing to be done in France, Germany, UK etc..

But they will NOT. They can not!! They will violate their basic values if they do.. Because when you jail politicians because they speak Kurdish, you think it is normal.. But it is not... When you see people being jailed because they are holding terrorists posters. But in the west, you can hold anybody´s poster as long as you dont switch to violence..

THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE UNABLE TO GRASP!!

So I am still waiting for the PROOF  here.. 

But instead of trying to get milk from a bull, just go and read something about our Kurdish Problem..

BTW.. I did not know those verses were for me.. But sorry.. I passed that stage of my life... You wont make me believe to some texts written over 1000 years ago.. 

I certainly know what a camp is and what is not. I have been in many EU countries and have seen what you wrote. But the camp that is mantioned on the article that u did not read is a camp where gunned militants are being trained. I was seen the picture of there, its not in the city centre, its located among mountains. 

I also certainly know the meetings in EU countries. I also know the amount of money that flow to PKK from these meetings. I know how Militants ask for money to Kurdish people. "The Party is in a huge war we need money" right?

I also know how you took sattle permissions from EU countries and also from Canada and USA. 

As i told you even if i give you the Sun you do not believe. Even you know the truth you do not declare it. Because you do not seek the truth you just look for support to your factionist ideas. That is why lying, distorting facts, insulting etc. Everything is allowable to reach your aim.

Why do you keep to use capital letters and insultive words? Those just make you more untrustable. Those just display your ugly style.

BTW What about Israeli Officials in Iraq and Roj TV in Denmark?

We both know that the PKK is just the fork of foreign secret services. But as i told you, this is the last flutters. We come to the end.

No, I"m not the jokester here. The fact of the matter is the maps are still in living memory. The policies used then, and the parties, are much the same today. The tactic, Divide and Rule have been used for thousands of years. Certain areas are of strategic importance, and have been for thousands of years....that´s a fact, just study a little history.

I posted this before...The New Middle East

...........so who or what...I don´t know, but it sure looks like something is up

Tensions between PKK and Turkey have risen many times in the past, without Israeli and Turkish relationship changing at all. Two incidents occuring in a relatively short period doesn´t make them related. Something has to happen more than once for it to be related. We didn´t see Israeli´s kill people on boats in the past.

If you still think the two events are related... then hear this. I used to go to Kusadasi a lot... one year I was a bit fed up, and I went to Marmaris. That year a bombing happened in Kusadasi. In the exact same two weeks that I was in Marmaris (and usually I would be in Kusadasi at the time) The next year, my plan was to go to Marmaris again. But due to circumstances, I had to change my plans and I went to Kusadasi again. In the two weeks that I was in Kusadasi, a bus got bombed in Marmaris. Both bombs happened in dolmuses that drove the routes that I would take on a daily base.

I seem to avoid bombs... conspiracy or not?

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I did investigate a bit further.. There seems to be a video here . But the translation I got from a French person  is not saying what is being mentioned in the Turkish source!!

I even asked further investigation in google in French..And the result is the same!! No mentioning of ´armed terrorists training in the camps´. The guy is obviously a Kurdish/PKK supporter and trying put pressure onto French government..  

Then I checked some sources in french thinking that I can get a decent translation with google.. It seems to me that is what he said at that particular day (from his webs site) :

http://jose-bove.eu/index.php?post/2010/03/03/Libérez-nos-amis-Kurdes

And its translation is according to google is:..

Since 1987, tens of thousands of Kurds, including the 4,000 villages have been destroyed by Turkish troops have been moved. Many of them lost, victims of political repression and torture in Turkish prisons arrived in Europe (see AI report, the European Court of Human Rights, Rights, and the Commissioner of Human Rights and Refugees of the United Nations ...) It is in this context that the fiercely anti-terrorist sections in Europe these days have arrested 93 people including 11 in France. They were remanded in custody. The reason for their arrest remains unknown. After five days of police custody, seven of them have been indicted and placed in custody in Paris. Among them, Ahmed Dogan, a French citizen, anthropologist and journalist, resident in Mas Razali (Pierrefiche of Larzac), organizes over 10 years, so perfectly legal and well known, the days of discussion with cultural associations, days are attended by academics and associations and in the greater transparency. Ali is very famous for his involvement with the defenders of Human rights and against torture in Turkey.

So I am a bit spectacle about it.. It is a tad bit suspicious.. A person who is trying make PKK sympathetic would surely know "a terrorist camp, giving armed training to terrorists in the middle of France" is not the best way of gaining sympathy!!

I also mentioned something about Roj tv and the news ´some retired Israeli army persons SPOTTED etc´..in previous threads.

So I still say the same thing: We have heard people talking about this ´elusive support from  the west for terrorism´  since 1980s..

Kenan Evren used to say ´Dis Mihrak´ -External centers-

So.. The proof would be great.. Anyway.. This is getting boring now..

Seems you dont know how to read. 

A PKK supporter EU MP declares that there is an armed training camp in Larzac 1 KM away from the French army. You do not even believe the PKK symphatisan?

As you say, Phew 

Than listen and watch...

http://www.beyazgazete.com/video/2010/03/13/fransa-dan-pkk-itirafi-atv.html