You are joking!! Right??

So you are saying that ´you believe in foreign involvements for our Kurdish Problem´ without any proof and saying that ´of course ´I wont see any proof because I am an ordinary citizen´.

This is a confession!!

I was right to say that it was all rumors ...

This is the same as being in 1938, living in Istanbul and believing ´foreign involvements in Dersim incident´ while thousands were killed in caves by gassing..

We, years later, have learnt the truth:  THERE WAS NOT...

Soldiers/politicians lied to keep nationalists sentiments up  so that masses will ignore what is going on there..

You believed the people who told you ´we dont have Kurds in Turkey..they are mountain Turks´. The same people, the very same people, told you these ´external elements´  tall stories.

Those people  LIED to you .. Tell me if I am wrong!! 

And about the identity..

YES.. You do have an identity problem!!

The culture/ideas/race/nationalism you  think you are trying to defend is nothing to do with Turkish/Anatolian culture..

You want proof of outside interference....how is this? ....It has developing for quite a while now...Sevres

Thats actually true.

aha, btw, theres no grey zone. Its your imagaination only. It doesnt exist.

Bla bla, let´s keep it back to the topic... the boat thing.

As I mentioned in my "I´m chipped so all I´m saying is what the American´s want"-post I don´t see the logical point in the US being behind the attack on the boats. Actually, it has hurt the US, since it further breaks down the relationship the US has with Turkey (which suck anyway since the whole Iraq thing), and it increases the critique on the US for always supporting Israel no matter what. And the US REALLY didn´t need the critique, since the president over there already received loads of critique for the way he was handling the oil spill.

Now I´m not so naive that I don´t realise that the US has been behind some attacks, and might even have triggered some wars. But the boat thing can only hurt the US. The only reason why the US would make Israel attack the boat, is if the US wanted to lose Turkey as an ally (huh?), and if they wanted to strengthen the position of Palestines in international negotiation, and thus weaken the position of Israel (yes, yet another weaker ally against Iran...makes sense...)

At least make your conspiracy theories logical! Pfff, conspiracy theorist of today have become so lazy.

Oh, by the way, showing a map with different colours doesn´t say a thing. I can make a map of Holland, put a Turkish flag in the middle and say that Turkey is trying to take over my country. That doesn´t make it actual proof.

I again apologize to Alpha and others for misunderstanding them.

One thing to add, Alpha and others, you should learn to distinguish between Zionists and simple Jews (including orthodox).

You are joking ???

I mean what is a map from 1920 and from treaty of Sevres got to do with Our Kurdish problem? 

People who dont  know the difference between the Zionists and Jews and thinking that all Jews are Zionists, are called anti-Semitic "in generic terms". 

You are a hopeless case. If I have to repeat a simple phrase three times just to make you understand the difference between suspicion and proven act of hostility. Excuse me, I have lost you and you have lost me. Don´t expect answers when answer is there for everyone to see.

The PKK attacks have recently increased dramaticaly and this coincided with the tension in the relations with Israel.

This raises question marks since the worsening of the relations have also had consequences on political, economic and cultural levels.

Suspicion as it is understood by any normal person is not a substantiated belied. Yet it is one of the ways we humans shape our thoughts. Conflicts between nations may get worse  when one or both of them is/are suspicious of the other. Similarly, when countries have confidence in one another they have an excellent rapport. This is why the US and Israel are such great friends. Turkey and Israel are also two great friends but this is mostly on paper. Because the US does not have full confidence in Turkey. For over fifty, years and despite all the efforts of the past governments the relations between Turkey is still being declared as getting better when a comparison is made to those between Israel and US.

Read this one carefully: in the international politics, suspicion and confidence are two golden keywords. Why did Saddam lose his head and why was his country invaded? Wasn´t that because of a mere suspicion?

Look!!

Just go back and  check what happened since the Kurdish opening!!

You dont need to be an extra clever to see what has happened and happening!!!

Nationalists blocked the opening; The guy in Imrali is pulling ropes.. Kurdish people is expecting a peaceful solution and with the nationalist sentiments, we are unable to provide it... PKK is there to stay..BDP is there to stay. You have to include them into the peace process. You coming and insisting that ´I dont talk to PKK-that is fine- I dont talk to Kurdish party BDP; I dont listen to NGOs -Kurdish NGOs said : both parties should stop fighting-´ and then IGNORE ALL and say ´it is Israel this time´.

This is a sheer insult to Kurds in Turkey.

The opening has stopped.. Kurdish party is closed.. People came with the opening put in jails.. People came from Iraq were returned back..

The guy in Imrali giving orders as ´I am out  from the negations end of the month´ and the attacks are starting the following day.. 

Where is Israel in this equations?

All above are OUR SHORTCOMINGS..

NO.. Israel is not in this..

This is our problem. And as long as you dont realise that  will stay as our problem ..

You are free to believe the lies!! I told and asked you ´who lied to you; what sort of lies etc´ of course.. You HAVE ignored them.. You dont have face to admit that ´the people who lied to you about the existence of Kurds, keep telling you Kurdish problem is nothing to do with Turkey. It is all foreigners´ 

Of course you will ignore those.. Because it is embarrassing.. 

Believe as much lies as you want That is your short coming..

I wont..

Already the word has come into effect upon most of them, so they do not believe.

Indeed, We have put shackles on their necks, and they are to their chins, so they are with heads [kept] aloft

And We have put before them a barrier and behind them a barrier and covered them, so they do not see.

And it is all the same for them whether you warn them or do not warn them - they will not believe.

Ya-Sin 7-10