A wrong can not be the justification of another wrong.

Nothing can decrease the savagery of Nazis and the sevegary of Israel as well.

Once upon a time Nazis tried to destroy whole Jews, Slavics, Gypsees, Poles etc. That had to be punished with the heaviest punishments. But that do not give the right to any of those groups to do the same.

None of those groups rather than Israel (Jews) do the same to other nations but Israel Messacres in Palestinia. The flotilla attack is a part of that big picture. 

Killing one innocent person is like killing the whole world. If one would like to be justice he/she shall begin with not to compare the number of deaths but to criticise the soul of the events.

Who said that the Holocaust justifies what is happening in Gaza? Nobody in this forum did. Only thing I´m saying is, that comparing what happened on that boat or even in Gaza right now to what happened in World War 2 to millions of people is wrong. The blockade is wrong, the occupation is wrong, the opression is wrong. However, you should have to drag the death, deportation, horrible "medical" experiments, the slavery, and so on of millions in this to make that point valid.

Barba....the Gaza matter is about Palestinians....not Muslims. Shifting the attention to the world population of Muslims of off base here.  I´m sorry to see that they have been split even more now into Gazans and ???...but they are all Palestinians.

Please do not forget, they are a mixed group, some are Muslim, some are Christian, some even are Jews (but those are now Israelis) So now, what percentage of the Palestinian people are we talking about now?

It is unfortunate that many of the Christians have left. I have known Palestinian people for many years, there is an amazing diversity among them. The one thing they do have in common is that they are NOT Jewish.  

I agree with you Lemon, the reason why Canada was involved from the beginning of the war was because Canada was a former colony of GB.  It makes me angry also. America waited until they got attacked at Pearl Harbor to get involved in the war after being solicited by GB numerouse times.  America came in and acted like the heros when all was over.  Canada could have refused to join the war but we sided with GB and were there from the begining.  I never heard my grandfather say anything bad about Russian soldiers, I remember him saying that the were "hell of a fighter", meaning that they were good soldiers but he never did like the atitude of the Americans.

I know. Its just me. My reaction to this issue is emotional.

Jew haters will even go this far, they will say the holocaust didnt happen. You may not believe it. But please, dont say it didnt happen, go and check, but dont repeat the slogans of jew haters.

Beware !

The basic mistake propaganda makes you believe is that one such atrocity can somehow be better or somewhat  more tolerable compared to another. People are led to believe their own atrocities can somehow be justified, because others were equally bad - sometime back in history.

There is no such comparison; all such atrocities should be condemned with equal strength.

A Jew who claims his race was mistreated thru the history (which is not always true; read history of Safarad Jews and what happened to them in 1592, when they were expelled from Christian Spain), yet can try to justify death of 19 civilians in the hands of  Israeli commandos or can overlook the suffering people in Gazza Concentration Camp does not deserve any respect or symphaty on humane grounds.

aha, there is one interesting theory... due to it jews were "financial managers" of empire. when emprire collapsed they just took all money... that is why every knight had right to come to jew and require his money back, and was given. that is why, german kings asked for the same and jews gave them money back.

who has money - rules the world. isnt it good reason ? jews got just too much money, which did not belong to them

 My point was that using percentages is crazy. Saying that the death of the Jews is not so important because it´s "only 5%" is crazy. And I´m sorry, but didn´t many people on the boat say stuff about "saving their Muslim brothers" instead of "saving the Palestinians"? More people make this about Jew versus Muslims, instead of what it really is... Israel versus Palestie. I was just trying to illustrate my point, that people are making an error in their reasoning.

Before it was also said that killing one person is like killing the world. These words were used as a point against Israel. I agree with the words, so the suicide bombings we saw a few years back (which substantially decreased after the horrible blockades the Israeli´s put up) were also wrong. We seem to have forgotten about those lately. Is it so hard to say "Oh, you know what... what is happening is really bad, what happened on the boat was really bad, but perhaps people should not keep dragging the holocaust in it?" People have blood on their hands on both sides. It has to end... period. We don´t have to mock, deny, or abuse the death of millions to end it.

Let me agree with you to some extent. However, I have a feeling that you are a very selective on the news you chose. You dont mind comparing The Holocaust to the ship incident, but at the same time you arent able to lament over darfur´s hundreds of thousands of victims. etc etc. There is also a huge north korean concamp as a whole country. Why dont you lament over them? Or you didnt happen to send a ship over there?Or they arent simply muslims?

I dont want to justify Israeli´s political moves. But still you deny them the right to defend themselves. Let me give you an example: imagine British or Dutch wanting to aid Kurds in Turkey, they send off a ship of humanitarian aid, you reject the entrance. They break the border. You send your comandos, theres a fight. The result 19 british-dutch dead civilians. Whose side are you with?

Let me list item by item.

* The Holocaust was real and there is no question about how terrible it was. The incident happened nearly 70 years ago, more or less during the prime time of our grand or for some of us grand grand fathers.

*The forties was a period marked by the rise of fascism which is essentially a despotic and racist regime. The fight was said to be between the good guys and the fascists. One of the good guys the US had not settled its race related problems yet. The black people had their own neighborhoods, they were not welcome in a white man´s shop or to sit with white people on the buses. There were all the signs of a systematic state racism. For Russia, the fascist Nazi regime was a natural enemy. Fascism helped Russia to lay the foundations of their own system. It provided instant justification for the iron curtain she would build later on.

*The rise of the Nazi regime in Germany was aided by the Social Democrats. Doesn´t that ring a bell, remember Turkey....

*America emerged as a great liberator from the war. No one cared about its own racist policies and culture which would go strong for at least a couple of more decades. There are lots of books covering the WW2 many of which were written with an omniscient point of view. They tell us what the soldiers were doing in the trenches, what was passing through the minds of the generals as they were issueing their command and the backgrounds of the vital decisions made by the political leaders of the era. They all do this from a British and American perspective. With millions of German documents confiscated by the American army, we can only count on their version of the truth. They have the papers in their own stores and no one is allowed to see them.

In the end nothing can nullify the horrible truth which apparent but I personally would argue like this:

German people were probably not more racist than Americans. They were passing through difficult times politically. The irresponsible policies of Social Democrats helped a terrible leader in Adolf Hitler to hold the reins of the country and the rest followed.

Imagine what would happen if Hitler was American President.