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60.       Aalaa
4 posts
 20 Jul 2010 Tue 09:19 pm

You were right Barbara, I should be more fair. Jewish  not all the same, and the world saw some of them who out in demonstrations supporting Arabic issues, in America, England and in Israel itself. So thanks for reminding me.


I reduced my replay after reading all replays, No communts on Holocust. I am not agreeing about must of what had been saying here.


that´s all.


thanks fo everybody, it´s my first post in multiculture forum. and nice to meet you all

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61.       lemon
1374 posts
 20 Jul 2010 Tue 09:42 pm

 

Quoting Aalaa

You were right Barbara, I should be more fair. Jewish  not all the same, and the world saw some of them who out in demonstrations supporting Arabic issues, in America, England and in Israel itself. So thanks for reminding me.

I reduced my replay after reading all replays, No communts on Holocust. I am not agreeing about must of what had been saying here.

that´s all.

thanks fo everybody, it´s my first post in multiculture forum. and nice to meet you all

 

Whats wrong with people, they use small letters? {#emotions_dlg.rant}

Dear Aalaa, no offence taken by me. And I apologise if I have offended you by my emotional comments. You may have had those ideas from the different sources and believed.

I have withdrawn from this subject and calmed down a bit.

My regards to all.

 

62.       armegon
1872 posts
 21 Jul 2010 Wed 01:13 am

 

Quoting lemon

Dear Aalaa, no offence taken by me. And I apologise if I have offended you by my emotional comments. You may have had those ideas from the different sources and believed.

I have withdrawn from this subject and calmed down a bit.

My regards to all.

 

 

This is the most polite & virtuous lemon i have ever seen since i registered to TLC...

 

63.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 21 Jul 2010 Wed 09:00 am

 

Quoting bydand

I have to agree with barba_mama on this one. You cannot compare what happened to some militants who tried to break the Israeli blockade of Gaza to the mass murder that happened in the extermination camps of Nazi Germany.

 

How about what is currently going on in Gazza? Will that qualify as a extermination camp? 

Any act that aims to exterminate people by blocading them from their basic needs is horrible; only idiots can see any difference between two such similar acts, depending on whether the culpits are Nazi Germans or Israelis.

64.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 21 Jul 2010 Wed 09:12 am

 

Quoting lemon

Stumpy,

I appreciate what you wrote.

You know, it just makes me angry. The west knew well what was happening in Germany under Hitler. GB, France and USA just ignored, waited a bit, allowed all the attrocities, watched people being butchered. GB of course did everything what it could to protect its kingdom and USA greatly profitted from the war. They could have stopped it right from the beginning, they had everything, all millitary possibilities, but they didnt.

We live in the world of hypocracy.

I am sorry I am again angry.

In 1492 Jews suffered deeply under inquisition in Spain and were eventually expelled from that country, in great humiliation.

Turks were the only nation who welcomed them (Safarad/Sephardic Jews) to a safe refuge where they can live, work, prospere and practice their religion, in full freedom....

What happened afterwards may explain why they were expelled from Spain in the first place...if any one cares to follow it up in history.

World is getting wiser to the ugly face of Sionism. There are many Jews that realize this, and oppose the current Israeli policies.

 



Edited (7/21/2010) by AlphaF
Edited (7/21/2010) by AlphaF

65.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 21 Jul 2010 Wed 10:58 am

...seriously... now you want to say that the Spanish Inquisition made sense? First of all, Jewish people lived in Turkey LONG before the 15th century. But come on, I´ll humour you. Why, oh why did the Jews deserve to be slaughtered in the 15th century (together with all other "infidels")?

66.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 21 Jul 2010 Wed 11:30 am

 

Quoting AlphaF

 

In 1492 Jews suffered deeply under inquisition in Spain and were eventually expelled from that country, in great humiliation.

Turks were the only nation who welcomed them (Safarad/Sephardic Jews) to a safe refuge where they can live, work, prospere and practice their religion, in full freedom....

 

I don´t think Turkey was the only nation welcoming Jews then

"From the founding of the Kingdom of Poland in 1025 through to the early years of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth created in 1569, Poland was one of the most tolerant countries in Europe.[2] Known as paradisus Iudaeorum (Latin for Jewish paradise) it became a unique shelter for persecuted and expelled European Jewish communities and a home to the world´s largest Jewish community. According to some sources, about three-quarters of all Jews lived in Poland by the middle of the 16th century.[3][4][5]"

 

(from wikipedia)

 

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67.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 21 Jul 2010 Wed 11:40 am

 

Quoting AlphaF

 

 

How about what is currently going on in Gazza? Will that qualify as a extermination camp? 

Any act that aims to exterminate people by blocading them from their basic needs is horrible; only idiots can see any difference between two such similar acts, depending on whether the culpits are Nazi Germans or Israelis.

Alphie, nobody here argues that what Israel does is justified. I think each single poster in this thread finds Israel´s actions appalling.

 

However, you must see the difference between plans to eliminate the whole race and a war of territory. Israelis do not want to annihilate Palestinians because of their nationality or religion, do you think they´d be nicer if there were Roman Catholics living in palestine? Or if they were Spanish? Israel is on a territorial war - they want to grow to power and Palestinians are in their way.

During WWII Hitler´s plan was not to take over Jewish country (as they had none), he wanted to destroy the race he had personal hatered for. And that´s the difference.

 

Horrenduous as Israel´s actions are, they are no different to any warfare that has ever happened. Think about all the wars of territory in history. Does this one seem really worse?

 

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68.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 21 Jul 2010 Wed 12:08 pm

 

Quoting Daydreamer

 

I don´t think Turkey was the only nation welcoming Jews then

"From the founding of the Kingdom of Poland in 1025 through to the early years of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth created in 1569, Poland was one of the most tolerant countries in Europe.[2] Known as paradisus Iudaeorum (Latin for Jewish paradise) it became a unique shelter for persecuted and expelled European Jewish communities and a home to the world´s largest Jewish community. According to some sources, about three-quarters of all Jews lived in Poland by the middle of the 16th century.[3][4][5]"

 

(from wikipedia)

 

 

Apart from what went on in that part of the history which we all are quite proud, but it should be noted that it was not Turkey, it was Ottoman Empire which always had a multi-national, multi-religious structure throughout  its history.

When we came to a single national Turkey era, unfortunately , the records in our dossier are not records we should be proud of..

You can call it  hysteria because of the resentments for non-muslims or Turkification or redistributing of the wealth etc but in 1934 with the first ever pogrom of Turkey, approximately 15.000 jews were forced to leave the cities/towns where they were living and had to go to other cities and other countries..(1934 Thrace incident http://ejts.revues.org/index2903.html .. Turkish source http://www.taraf.com.tr/ayse-hur/makale-1934-trakya-olaylari.htm from Ayse Hur)

With the second world war, treatment of foreigners in Turkey and with the born of Israel in 1948, jews emigrated in masses.  

Now we have only 25.000 jews living in Turkey..

 



Edited (7/21/2010) by thehandsom

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69.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 21 Jul 2010 Wed 12:48 pm

 

Quoting barba_mama

...seriously... now you want to say that the Spanish Inquisition made sense? First of all, Jewish people lived in Turkey LONG before the 15th century. But come on, I´ll humour you. Why, oh why did the Jews deserve to be slaughtered in the 15th century (together with all other "infidels")?

I am not talking about Jews in general...My post clearly specifies Sephardic Jews.

 

 

70.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 21 Jul 2010 Wed 12:53 pm

 

Quoting vineyards

Alphaf and Lemon, let this be a chance to share our knowledge without flaming the other party. We all make this mistake now and then. Now it is the time to cool down. I believe everyone is learning something from one another. When we talk about sensitive matters we stand on the edge of a fight and flaming. When we ask a question about hidden intentions, personal interests etc, the fall begins. Let´s avoid these pitfalls they are very easy to avoid. 

I like your optimistic approach. However, the civilian ship confiscated in open sea, using brute military force, killing 19 armless relief workers is still not released and no apology - apart from idiotic excuses - from murderers seem to be forthcoming.

 

Do you still think I have personal intersts vested in the issue?

 



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