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70.       vona
150 posts
 06 Jun 2012 Wed 08:14 am

 

Quoting gokuyum

I try to understand what Saidi Nursi wants to tell. I try to be obejective as much as I can. And I know this very well, knowledge is power.

 

 

 

  Yeah, knowledge is power. Here is what he said on the reason for 1939 Erzincan earthquake. Enjoy it and for more follow the link below. 

 First Question: More distressing than the material disaster of the present severe earthquake are its immaterial aspects; the fear and despair at further earthquakes is destroying the nightly rest of most of the people in most areas. What is the reason for this terrible torment? 

The Answer, again in regard to its Meaning: It has been said that the drunken, licentious songs, some of which were performed by girls, being broadcast rapturously by means of the radio during the tarawih prayers of the month of Ramazan in every corner of this blessed centre of Islam resulted in the torment of this fear.


http://www.nur.gen.tr/en.html#maincontent=Risale&islem=read&KitapId=456&BolumId=8502&KitapAd=The+Words&Page=185

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71.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 06 Jun 2012 Wed 08:18 am

There is a very strong rumour about the Ottoman Empire having gone to Jewish hands after Kanuni. Some even say the Empire was exposed to a Jewish complot . I don´t know if these texts are based on serious research or if they serve certain purposes. And if so, whose purposes?

 

That eventually brings you to 1915, that unfortunate Turkish- Armenian fight in Anatolia.   Turks lost their essential ally in Anatolia and Armenians lost their political standing, wealth, homes and many lives. Both parties lost; Anatolia bled and lost power.

Guess who was the winner ? If you seriously think about my question, you may even find some clues as to who organized (manipulated) the fight in the first place.....



Edited (6/6/2012) by AlphaF

72.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 06 Jun 2012 Wed 11:22 am

 

Quoting AlphaF

There is a very strong rumour about the Ottoman Empire having gone to Jewish hands after Kanuni. Some even say the Empire was exposed to a Jewish complot . I don´t know if these texts are based on serious research or if they serve certain purposes. And if so, whose purposes?

That eventually brings you to 1915, that unfortunate Turkish- Armenian fight in Anatolia. Turks lost their essential ally in Anatolia and Armenians lost their political standing, wealth, homes and many lives. Both parties lost; Anatolia bled and lost power.

Guess who was the winner ? If you seriously think about my question, you may even find some clues as to who organized (manipulated) the fight in the first place.....

 

If I say "the Young Turks" movement will you hit me?

73.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 06 Jun 2012 Wed 11:47 am

 

Quoting barba_mama

 

 

If I say "the Young Turks" movement will you hit me?

 

No, not if you know what you are talking about.

Hint: Check how relatıons between Young Turks (IT) and Armenian groups like Taşnak started, developed and ended up... 

 

I may have misread your message barba. If you mean the winners were YOUNG TURKS, you are wrong. Ataturk, who eventually got the the upper hand in Turkey was not very close to them at all. All anti Armenian leaders of YT were later killed by Armenians and that movement largely died out, at least politically speaking.

 



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74.       vineyards
1954 posts
 06 Jun 2012 Wed 01:37 pm

By the same reasoning, only Jews hate Hitler. The people Yavuz killed were people like me and you. That is a very big problem in Turkey; if the victim is a Kurd or and Alevi, people say they were only Alevites anyway. We must hate this person for the blood he shed no matter whose.

True every sultan, king or czar shed blood. We must consider things without forgetting the time reference but even by this definition, there are monsters that history has recorded. I have no love or respect for them. They are kind of responsible for the conflicts that are still claiming thousands of lives each year.

Shah Ismail was a Turk and shared the same culture with the most of the Anatolian population of the day. Ottomans turned their back to Anatolia, disdaining Turks. The palace had set their minds to Mecca and were making plans to spread the Sunnite belief and placing themselves as the center of the Islamic world. The Alevites were an obstacle and therefore expendable. We still see this today. Most Sunnite (so-called) scholars consider Alevites as some sort of perverts. Stories are made up and spreaded among Sunnites despising Alevites and their belief.

Shah Ismail was a renown poet and a humanist thinker (let´s remember the time reference again). He wrote under the nome de plume Khatai (Hatayi) meaning: one that errs.

 

 

 

about yavuz sultan selim, only shia (turkish alevi) people hate him. he was in war with another turkish sultan called shah Ismail from iran. he defeated shah ismail. since that time, shia people always talk about him badly. yes he was quite tough as most of the sultans. some people from anatolia supported shah ismail at that war, yavuz got very angry and was cruel to those who supported shah ismail aganist him. btw, shah ismail was a fanatic shia.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ismail_I

 

 



Edited (6/6/2012) by vineyards

75.       Abla
3647 posts
 24 Jul 2013 Wed 10:26 pm

Look at this list:

 

http://www.sabah.com.tr/fotohaber/yasam/bizanstan_kalan_son_eserler/23850

 

All churches from the Byzantine period have been changed into mosques or museums. Right?

76.       ikicihan
1127 posts
 25 Jul 2013 Thu 04:48 am

 

Quoting Abla

Look at this list:

 

http://www.sabah.com.tr/fotohaber/yasam/bizanstan_kalan_son_eserler/23850

 

All churches from the Byzantine period have been changed into mosques or museums. Right?

 

Might be not all but most. At least they are used for the similar worshipping purposes. They would use them for unrestpectful purposes or destroy them but they wouldnt, that is a good point. Also mosques should be always clean. In hagia sophia the figures on the walls were not destroyed but covered with plaster many centuries ago.

 

After the otoman period some mosques used for unrestpectful purposes inside and outside the country such as barn...

 

An old mosque from armenia:



Edited (7/25/2013) by ikicihan

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