My understanding is that the -ki suffix is used as a pronoun with the object being the stem of the formed word.

For example - are these correct?
evdekiler - the people in the house
dışarıdankı - the one from outside
kalemi arkadaşımkı - the pen of my friend
kırdakılar - people from rural areas

But today I have seen "şimdiki hava" which I take to mean "the weather at this moment". But in this sentence why does şimdi take the -ki suffix and not just the -in genitive suffix?

Is there a rule about when -ki is used as a possessive and when -in should be used?

ki takes only 2 shapes

ki and kü ,

i asked,and they said because it is a new suffix !!!!

That means it is going to be old someday and will take the 4 shpes of the vowel harmony rules ???

ALLAHu alem

kü?

can you please give us some examples?

ok,here

Salı günkü toplantımız çok verimliydi
Dünkü yemek midemi bozdu
Bugünkü gençler daha özgür düşÃ¼nüyor

Btw, my dictionary says that both 'çünkü' and 'çünki' are correct in usage.

Ok,i understand (ki ) when it comes with the word
Like evdeki, arabadak

But sometimes it come seperated from the word,
İ saw it in a sentence in the translate it forum
İ didn't know how to put it,so i translated it as if it wasn't seperated

So what is the difference in meaning and usadge between them ?

Check this link.

I thought there was more to be found on this site about -ki, haven't found it yet though..
Someone?

Thx a lot,

İ hope someone will make it clear the usage of ki,as grammatically rule,so it would be much more understandable

Found some more, scroll to the letter k on this link it will give you some more info.

Still trying to find that other thread here..

There are two -ki's in Turkish.

1. ki that is written seperated is a "conjunction" (bağlaç).
meanings:
1. on the other hand
2. so that
3. that

2. ki that is written together is a "relative pronoun" (ilgi zamiri).
Examples:
the man over there : oradaki adam
the music in here : buradaki müzik
the x over there : oradaki
the x in here : buradaki
the x in the morning : sabahki
the x tomorrow: yarınki

how about kü ?

Sabahki....in the morning
Salı günkü....in Salı

Aren't they same this way ?

Ahh haa,i guess it make sense,that is why i didn't find examples with kü except with gün,dün,bugün

THX

Greetings,
In my above post I had already included sabahki:

"the x in the morning : sabahki"

As mentioned in my previous message the -ki here is a relative pronoun. Of course these are the same ki:

bugünkü : the x today
dünkü : the x yesterday
yarınki : the x tomorrow
sabahki : the x in the morning

But don't mix "çünkü". "Çünkü" is a word on its own and has nothing to do with the -ki suffix. It is a co-insidence it ends like this. Smillarly, "ekmek" (bread) ends with mek but it isn't an infinitive.

I've been following this discussion because I've always had problems to understand the "ki" suffix and I was really surprised because I just found out about the "kü" suffix!! this wasn't on my book so I suppose it's pretty old and I need a newer version to study from!
The examples, however , are great so I know how to use them...I hope...oh this turkish...a never-ending grammar!!!!!
cheers!
Dilara.

Greetings scalpel,
The etymological background for çünkü is not important for the learner. The point is that 'çünkü' has no suffix in Turkish. There is no word such as 'çün'. Maybe in Persian there is. I don't know and I'm not interested.

Let's take these examples:

dün (yesterday) > dünkü (the one yesterday)
burada (here) > buradaki (the one here)

Çün (non existent)
çünkü (because)

I agree with you about the etymological background of çünkü. But these are not important for the Turkish learners and they only cause confusion.

I see your point. When putting it that way it makes more sense.

In short, I think, looking for a smillarity between 'çünkü' and any word that has a relative pronoun (dünkü, buradaki etc) was a bad idea but pointing to the fact that 'için' and 'çünkü' have a relation between each other that comes from their etymological backgrounds, is a good point. To tell the turth, I didn't know these words were etymologicaly connected.

I think your last examples are a good educational approach to the issue.