Quoting SERA_2005:

channel 4 programme which is called 'make me a muslim' I don't know if anyone watched it but the idea of the show is to challenge non muslims to live as muslims for 3 weeks.With this in mind they were encouraging British women to wear the Hijab.

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting Deli_kizin:

Its never a wrong idea to introduce people to each others customs, because this can lead to understanding and toleration. However, since Im already against the concept of hijab anyway, and since it goes against the basic ideas of equality between men and women, I am very surprised it is encouraged.

Sera, do you really need to put on a scarf to show your man that you are only for him? Because saying this implies you think that when not covering your head, you 'offer' yourself to other men.

I will never put on a headscarf (well I do but just when it rains and is too windy for umbrella or when I forget ), nor will I ever offer myself to any other than the one I love. And the fact that I love, carries the so called meaning of hijab in it.

Quoting Deli_kizin:

Its never a wrong idea to introduce people to each others customs, because this can lead to understanding and toleration. However, since Im already against the concept of hijab anyway, and since it goes against the basic ideas of equality between men and women, I am very surprised it is encouraged.

Sera, do you really need to put on a scarf to show your man that you are only for him? Because saying this implies you think that when not covering your head, you 'offer' yourself to other men.

I will never put on a headscarf (well I do but just when it rains and is too windy for umbrella or when I forget ), nor will I ever offer myself to any other than the one I love. And the fact that I love, carries the so called meaning of hijab in it.

Quoting SERA_2005:

Women who wear the hijab are covering themselves in order to be freed from the sexual looks and thoughts of men..

Quoting SERA_2005:

Lol i doubt it.It was on a british TV channel which goes through seasons of different programmes this particular one is under the 'umbrella' of belief.They have all sorts of different things like a talent seasons about music and some about history etc plus showing lots of other programmes.Its very mainstream and i am sure any of my fellow Brits would agree.It was like a challenge to get a group of Brits to understand,learn and live as Muslims for 3 weeks.

Quoting Deli_kizin:

Btw I later saw that you do it just sometimes as a sign of respect for his culture and religion, so Im just stating these in general and they have nothign to do with you. I think it is good to make small signs that though you are different you can see from their point of view too.


But by acknowledging the fact it is worn to cast off mens looks, and then still putting on a scarf, to me it means you silently agree that its your fault you are beautiful and that it is your fault that men HAVE to look at you.


I wear rather modest clothes and will never 'exhibit' goods that are not for sale. And then again, its their loss, they can only look

Quoting SERA_2005:

Why is it opression,no one is forcing me to do it! It would be opression if i was forced.

Quoting Deli_kizin:

But by acknowledging the fact it is worn to cast off mens looks, and then still putting on a scarf, to me it means you silently agree that its your fault you are beautiful and that it is your fault that men HAVE to look at you.

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting SERA_2005:

I think that you have raised some important issues.I think some people hold that women who wear sexy clothes and show lots of flesh are openly inviting rape and assault.I could not disagree with this more and find this statement disgusting and offensive.
I totally support a womens right to wear what ever she wants however i am simply saying that for me and many other women i sometimes like to cover my hair just out of respect for example when i am going to visit his grandparents or going to a family grave for example as well as some days when i feel like it.I know many of my young 'modern' turkish female friends tell me i am crazy and they don't wear it because its too traditional and religious.Yet they still find themselves helping their mothers make dinner and doing most if not all of the chores.Hmm seems they are willing to do some things and not others.

Quoting catwoman:

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Its never a wrong idea to introduce people to each others customs, because this can lead to understanding and toleration.

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Out of respect for me, my husband supports my refusal to ever set foot in a mosque. I love my husband and respect his culture, but I don't feel like I have to demean myself so that he knows I respect him. To cover yourself because of some insane idea that you give a man sexual thoughts is outrageous! NOBODY can control the thoughts and feelings of another human being.

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Covering up doesn't stop men thinking about sex ! Proven by this weeks news headline of an completely covered Saudi woman being raped and then sentenced to 200 lashes !

Quoting Cacık:

Proven by this weeks news headline of an completely covered Saudi woman being raped and then sentenced to 200 lashes !

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting SERA_2005:

it is mearly an expression to my partner that i understand,respect and often enjoy experiencing his culture and religion.

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting Elisabeth:

Out of respect for me, my husband supports my refusal to ever set foot in a mosque. I love my husband and respect his culture, but I don't feel like I have to demean myself so that he knows I respect him. To cover yourself because of some insane idea that you give a man sexual thoughts is outrageous! NOBODY can control the thoughts and feelings of another human being.

Quoting Elisabeth:

If you want to wear a scarf, Sera, that is your business. I will never put a scarf on to be taken seriously. If a place or occasion demanded that I wear one, I would not go. If my husbands family does not understand that, that's just to bad. I respect their right to wear one...I would never ask them not to. They are invited to functions in my family regardless of how they dress. If they feel uncomfortable, they can certainly decline. I do understand what your saying Sera, but I have lived long enough in this world to know that there are somethings I can never compromise...I can compromise about not having pork in my house and how strong the coffee is but I will never ever compromise on hijab. If I am not welcome as I am...I will not go.

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Quoting SERA_2005:

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Quoting SERA_2005:

I don't see wearing the scarf as demeaning.Quite the opposite,i know he likes me to dress modestly which doesnt bother me at all because i do anyway.However if i wanted to wear something he didnt 100% approve of i would! He would never tell me how to dress just as i don't tell him how to.However i do believe in a little compromise for example if he was to point out to me that we were attending an occasion which he and his family felt demanded that i wear a scarf then i would of course.I am not saying that one can control the thoughts of another human being however whats the harm in dressing so decrease the liklihood that sexual thoughts will be in the mind.I want to be taken seriously just as much as the next person does, not to have someone staring at my boobs because i choose to display them like a pair of prize melons.However as i have said previously i fully support a woman who wishes to dress in that way as it is her choice.

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting SERA_2005:

If you are insinuating that the Islamic culture or religion is in any way promoting violence or having anything to do with viewing terrorism in a positive light then you are totally incorrect and acting in a very irresponsible and offensive way.Islam means peace.Its only the view of ignorant western people that suggest it is anything otherwise.Oh and just incase anyone didnt know terrorism started long before 9/11.

Quoting SERA_2005:

Excuse me how dare you.If you read my previous posts more carefully you will see that i said if the situation demands a scarf i would wear one not if my fiance did!! Perhaps a little more careful reading is in order before you write such rude insulting posts and please while we are on the subject if you have a problem with what i am saying then send me a personal message rather than writing it on here then we can talk about it like sensible adults rather than kids!He would never demand anything of me or anyone else for that matter.And as for making personal comments well i am not even going to go there,i will post what i like thank you very much and i won't be spoken to like that.

Quoting SERA_2005:

If you are insinuating that the Islamic culture or religion is in any way promoting violence or having anything to do with viewing terrorism in a positive light then you are totally incorrect and acting in a very irresponsible and offensive way.Islam means peace.Its only the view of ignorant western people that suggest it is anything otherwise.Oh and just incase anyone didnt know terrorism started long before 9/11.

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting SERA_2005:

I was not or will ever give you shit,as you put it.I was simply pointing out that the opinion that Islam is a faith with is in support of terrorist activities and believes in such terrible things is just not factually correct.Islam is a peaceful religion.There are however a small minority of extremists who wish to corrupt the religion and take part in negative/illegal activities in its name thus making many think that this behaviour is representative of the whole religion when it is not.I may be western but by no means am i ignorant.

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting SERA_2005:

I don't view this selective quoting business as conclusive proof of anything.Anyone can find a quote from somewhere take it out of context and make it fit what they want to say.There are so many things in all the holy texts which could be used in support or defence of these actions and many other moral situations such as abortion etc which i am sure we all remember talking about a while ago.

Quoting SERA_2005:

Excuse me how dare you.If you read my previous posts more carefully you will see that i said if the situation demands a scarf i would wear one not if my fiance did!! Perhaps a little more careful reading is in order before you write such rude insulting posts and please while we are on the subject if you have a problem with what i am saying then send me a personal message rather than writing it on here then we can talk about it like sensible adults rather than kids!He would never demand anything of me or anyone else for that matter.And as for making personal comments well i am not even going to go there,i will post what i like thank you very much and i won't be spoken to like that.

Quoting Elisabeth:

Don't try to be one of them. Be yourself and be proud...at least you will sleep well at night and never worry if you are good enough.

Quoting SERA_2005:

I don't view this selective quoting business as conclusive proof of anything.

Quoting SERA_2005:

Anyone can find a quote from somewhere take it out of context and make it fit what they want to say.

Quoting SERA_2005:

There are so many things in all the holy texts which could be used in support or defence of these actions and many other moral situations such as abortion etc which i am sure we all remember talking about a while ago.

Quoting femme_fatal:

btw
sera, you look very sexy and very modest your hijab must be invisible.

Quoting alameda:

Would you like to HAVE to bare your breasts? It's a matter of personal privacy for many.

Quoting alameda:

Look at it like this. Please take the time to actually THINK about it.

The dominant culture that is now in power is Polynesian, or some African Nubian culture where hardly any garments are worn. How would you feel bare breasts, belly exposed and more?

Different cultures have different degrees of bodily exposure they are comfortable with. To some women in the Islamic cultures, exposing their hair, neck and other bodily parts is tantamount to being naked.

Would you like to HAVE to bare your breasts? It's a matter of personal privacy for many.

Quoting Elisabeth:

Western woman are a bunch of evil sex maniacs because we don't cover up.

Quoting alameda:

The dominant culture

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting catwoman:

Amerikans and AEnigma III. But nobody else.

Quoting AEnigma III:

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Quoting AEnigma III:

I have no wish to discuss my exciting, vibrant affaires d'amour on this website thank you!

Quoting AEnigma III:

It was the "maniac" part I objected to

I have no wish to discuss my exciting, vibrant affaires d'amour on this website thank you!

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting Capoeira:

I see covered women everyday. It doesn't stop the men around here from turning and starring them up and down when they pass. So whoever has this idea that men are deterred from looking is crazy!

Also many covered women wear make-up. And many covered women are completely covered and what is covering them is sooo tight we get to see exactly what they are covering.

I see covered women smoking, holding hands with their boyfriends, making out in public parks and all the other things that uncovered women do.

So what is the point of covering? I feel that women should cover if they want. But this notion that they are invisible to the world and sexual fantasy of men is totally ridiculous!

Quoting Capoeira:

I see covered women everyday. It doesn't stop the men around here from turning and starring them up and down when they pass. So whoever has this idea that men are deterred from looking is crazy!

Also many covered women wear make-up. And many covered women are completely covered and what is covering them is sooo tight we get to see exactly what they are covering.

I see covered women smoking, holding hands with their boyfriends, making out in public parks and all the other things that uncovered women do.

So what is the point of covering? I feel that women should cover if they want. But this notion that they are invisible to the world and sexual fantasy of men is totally ridiculous!

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting femme_fatal:

in secret i tell you, shes astry1.

Quoting alameda:

If your skirt or sleeves are so long it causes hazards I would seriously question it. If your face is covered in such a manner you are like the The Lone Ranger or Zorro I'd question that too.

Quoting Umut_Umut:

Why nuns wears clothes as muslims? You know they wear a headscarf and clothes which covers the whole body and something like that.

People can wear whatever they want. And its not an obligatory thing to wear a hijab or something like that. For me its just a cultural thing.

Quoting AEnigma III:

It IS obligatory to women to wear hijab or burka in Islamic states Umut. It is also obligatory if you are a muslim woman following the Quran.

With regard to Nuns it is completely different! Nuns CHOOSE to devote their lives to God and are "married" to Jesus. They choose to never have a relationship with a man and to devote their lives to God completely. They do not HAVE to live their lives this way, they choose to.

Quoting Umut_Umut:

Dear, i dont care islamic states. And here i am not debating on their management skills. I am a muslim and i am speaking about what Allah says. I said its not an obligatory thing to wear Hijab. I did not say anything about headscarf. Headscarf and hijab is different things you know.

So there is no difference dear. If you are muslim it means its your choose as the nuns ha. If you choose islam, you should obey its rules. Nuns choose to be a candidate and they are doing what they should. And muslim women choose islam and they are doing what they should. There is no difference ha.

By the way do God need nuns life? And if they open their heads what will it be? Will we want to marry them? Will Jesus not accept them???? Why they should cover their body

Quoting AEnigma III:

You may not care about Islamic states, but a high percentage of Islam is represented by them. I am well aware that Turkey do not consider hijab or burka as compulsory (and that other Islamic countries regard Turkish as bad muslims!!). However, headscarf represents exactly the same thing - a woman having to cover herself.

Umut you may like to believe that most people have CHOSEN their religion, but in fact 99% of people do not chose their religion. They are born into a culture or country of that religion and are raised to believe in that "god".

The most devout muslim, if born in the UK for example, would most certainly now be a christian or atheist. Religion is about culture 99% of the time, and people, like sheep, follow the crowd and never explore other possibilities.

Now - let me explain about nuns! The reason they cover themselves is because it teaches them to lose all vanity and concentrate on God rather than themselves. It has absolutely nothing to do with men (or their passions!). They have to shave their heads (or cut hair very short) and cover everything except the face. This is very similar to Budhist monks' reasons for shaving their heads and wearing simple robes.

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting Umut_Umut:

Yes a woman has to cover herself. By the way a man has to cover himself too. There are limits for men too. Its the order of the Allah. And if i am muslim, it means i believe in Allah and so i have to obey His rules.

Quoting Umut_Umut:

You may be right about choosing the religion.

Quoting Umut_Umut:

But you can see lots of people who changes their religions or who doesnt believe anymore. Its in the heart.

Quoting Umut_Umut:

And if i want to be a christian i will be.

Quoting Umut_Umut:

I can read whatever i want, i can read all religious books. There are lots of chances now. You have internet, books, magazines, friends, religious buildings etc. If there is no thing thx to God there are missionaries around. I think its not the problem.

Quoting Umut_Umut:

I respect nuns, budhists and every religion. I have to let them to live what they believe in. If they think they have to cover their heads and if they are waiting for Jesus, i can just admire them. Cos abandon the things what you can do and what you wanna do, needs strong faith.

Quoting AEnigma III:

Umut, it is very rare for someone to move away from their culture and upbringing (especially in a religious society) to change their religion. They will always believe that the "god" they knew as a child is the only true one.

Right but if someone wants he can do. Its the point for me.

I also have respect for other people's religion, when it is of free will, personal choice and does not involve trying to persuade others to join, or include sexism, harm to another person or creature and war.

I agree with you.

...which unfortunately means I have little respect.

With regards to nuns, as I tried to explain they are not covering their heads because they are waiting for Jesus. It may be HARD for you to understand, but they are NOT covering themselves because of men. They are covering themselves to remove their personal vanity and to free their minds to concentrate solely on God.

Quoting Umut_Umut:

Are you the leader of christians or are you spokesman of them? By the way i am not saying a bad thing.

Quoting Umut_Umut:

I will speak with your words, 'i can speak whatever i want DEAR, dont behave as a barbarian. '

Quoting Umut_Umut:

I am not a parrot, it would be great if i can. I could fly

Quoting Umut_Umut:

And its good that you know that you should not speak of matters that you are not aware of. I think you should also obey your own rule

Quoting Umut_Umut:

Maybe i cant understand. I was speaking about what you said before.(About the Jesus thing) If you say so i should just agree. And its not my business. I didnt want to interfere or comment their life. I just wanted to give an example.

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting Umut_Umut:

Yes i am covering myself. Do you wanna see. But i am not covering myself for you. So you dont need to care me. Be on your business..

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting Umut_Umut:

I want to understand. Who said it. And i read Bible. I am not a close person. I am reading about religions. But for me islam is the right one. And i think i have rights to choose my own religion

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting AEnigma III:

As far as I can see, no Turkish men follow this rule, and very few remain virgins before marriage.

Quoting Umut_Umut:

Dear, i dont care islamic states.

Quoting Umut_Umut:

I am a muslim and i am speaking about what Allah says.

Quoting Umut_Umut:

I said its not an obligatory thing to wear Hijab.

Quoting Umut_Umut:

Headscarf and hijab is different things you know.

Quoting Umut_Umut:

So there is no difference dear.

Quoting Umut_Umut:

If you are muslim it means its your choose as the nuns ha. If you choose islam, you should obey its rules. Nuns choose to be a candidate and they are doing what they should. And muslim women choose islam and they are doing what they should. There is no difference ha.

Quoting Umut_Umut:

By the way do God need nuns life?

Quoting Umut_Umut:

And if they open their heads what will it be? Will we want to marry them? Will Jesus not accept them???? Why they should cover their body

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting Elisabeth:

Just so you know...nuns are NOT required to wear coverings. Many choose to because they have voluntarily sacrificed having a husband and children to devote themselves to God. They choose the veil as an outward symbol of that choice. I have a cousin who is a nun and she wears regular conservative street clothes.

Quoting Umut_Umut:

How can you be sure of my life? How can you be sure if i know something? I think you are just speaking nonsense. Dont be aggressive DEAR.

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting Umut_Umut:

Yes i am a simple parrot who speaks rubbish and dont know about anything.

Quoting Umut_Umut:

So what should i do? Should i kill myself? Whats your suggestion?

Quoting Umut_Umut:

Go and learn some manners. A lady should not speak in a rude way.

Quoting Umut_Umut:

If you will write, you are not the one who will teach that.

Quoting Umut_Umut:

okay i am not the one who will but you should find someone who can help

Quoting Umut_Umut:

And why are you soooooo offensive

Quoting Umut_Umut:

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting femme_fatal:

you are a parrot, you repeat what you heard, but never in your life have researched any other judaistic religions.
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Quoting Umut_Umut:

Hey you won a big war ha How happy to you.

Quoting Umut_Umut:

You are absolutely right!!! Go on on that way.

Quoting Umut_Umut:

As an ignorant and a parrot and a dragon and what else i want to celebrate you.

Quoting Umut_Umut:

But you know i dont know how to do it. Cos i am just an ignorant, idiot muslim and a dragon. Aha yes i am barbaric too. At least i do not know those kind of things. I just beg for showing understanding.At the earliest i will learn

Quoting Umut_Umut:

I should sleep now. Tomorrow is Bayram and i should wake up early. Have a good night or day. SEE YOU

Quoting alameda:

What do you mean here Fem....are you referring to Abrahamic religions?

Quoting Umut_Umut:

Now in islamic states nearly %30 population believe christianity and other religions. So they can live ha.

Quoting Umut_Umut:

Look men covering is different. We dont cover our head. I said there are limits for men. And if you wear a norman trouser and a pullover or something like that, its ok.

Quoting Umut_Umut:

Then you meet few people. By the way Turkish doesnt means muslim. A turk can be muslim, christian, budhist, non beliver bla bla bla.

Quoting Umut_Umut:

And as i said before obeying the rules or not is their own problem.

Quoting Umut_Umut:

Its with Allah and themself. I cant interfere it.

Quoting azade:

Traditionally men also covered their heads but nowadays they seem to have forgotten that tradition...menswear not fashionable for them?? If a husband wants his wife to wear islamic clothes surely he should also do it himself

Quoting femme_fatal:

btw
sera, you look very sexy and very modest your hijab must be invisible.

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting SERA_2005:

Well unfortunately this is the nature of the beast,seeing as this is a forum we tend to have the read the posts.Hmm surprise surprise..not!
Anyway moving on i am also a person of free will however i am sure most of us would agree that if we are attending a place which is sensitive such a grave yard etc then it is only out of respect i would wear a scarf.After all i am marrying into this culture and my finace knows better than anyone that i am English and i hold western values what ever they are,this means that we have an understanding and both know what we are getting into! So he wouldnt want to ask me to something which would make me feel uncomfortable or strange to me however out of love and respect for him i choose too do things that may not be 'normal' in my own culture,thats what a relationship is all about give and take.

Quoting girleegirl:

In my opinion, self-respect far outweighs the respect of a fiance or his family. How could anyone who selectively wears a scarf to show respect for someone else or a situation have any respect for themselves?

Quoting alameda:

Hmmm...let me see, when it rains I wear something to keep myself dry. When I go to an 'event' I dress up. When I go to work, I wear 'professional' garments.

Have you ever heard of the concept of 'going with the flow'?

Quoting girleegirl:

...You are really going to compare these types of situations? But hey...if these are your values, I say don't wear that rain gear. If it is against your principle to dress professionally, be a slob.
You really reach far out on the limb there...be careful it doesn't break.

Quoting alameda:

If I'm on a flexible branch, it will be able to take weight and stress better than if I were on a brittle, stiff and inflexible one.

Dry reeds break in the wind.

Quoting SERA_2005:

Quoting SERA_2005:

its the mens problem for staring at you not yours for being hot

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thats what a relationship is all about give and take.

Quoting AEnigma III:

Turkish men do not want a beautiful or "hot" wife - they would rather she was plain. However, once he has married his "plain wife" he spends his time chasing (and sometimes catching) the beautiful "hot" ones

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting alameda:

Hmmm...let me see, when it rains I wear something to keep myself dry. When I go to an "event" I dress up. When I go to work, I wear "professional" garments.

Have you ever heard of the concept of "going with the flow"?

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting SERA_2005: Quoting femme_fatal: btw sera, you look very sexy and very modest your hijab must be invisible. I never said i wore the hijab all the time and nor did i say that i was wearing one in any of my photos.Plus you should be able to be/feel sexy or attractive and wear a scarf,its the mens problem for staring at you not yours for being hot

Quoting SERA_2005:

Thank God the world has not gone totally mad,i couldnt agree more.I tend to go with the flow as you said,i don't wear a scarf all the time however as i have said before no one seems to have a problem with it.I take life as it comes,some days i feel like it and others not.

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting SERA_2005:

Seeing as i am the one talking here,not you and these are my posts then i definately do know what i am talking of.You may not agree but thats your Prerogative.I never said i knew all the answers i am simply giving my opinion as we all are doing here.

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting SERA_2005:

Quoting SERA_2005:

I just think its a shame you spend so much time trying to come back with answers to my opinion

Quoting SERA_2005:

rather than actually coming up with one of your own.

Quoting SERA_2005:

Anyway that wasnt the reason i started this thread it was talk about muslim dress in the wider sense not just in my wardrobe,Its actually quite boring.

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Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting SERA_2005:

Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting SERA_2005: I just think its a shame you spend so much time trying to come back with answers to my opinion you dont like our opinions? its a shame that a person who speaks about modesty uploads non-modest pics of herslef. Quoting SERA_2005: rather than actually coming up with one of your own. am i not coming with my own? Quoting SERA_2005: Anyway that wasnt the reason i started this thread it was talk about muslim dress in the wider sense not just in my wardrobe,Its actually quite boring. its a shame you dont know what you started. its a shame you dont know the real life of those really veiled women! we dont talk about wardrobe. and theres no wider sense in muslim coverings! what wider sense there could be? maybe you should tell us wider and deeper? sera, you are boring, you come with nothing, talk nothing, and offend us telling that we are boring. if this is your attitude to the case, then dont talk to us.

Quoting SERA_2005:

I just think its a shame you spend so much time trying to come back with answers to my opinion rather than actually coming up with one of your own.Anyway that wasnt the reason i started this thread it was talk about muslim dress in the wider sense not just in my wardrobe,Its actually quite boring.

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting femme_fatal:

what if the flow falls down the chasm?

flowing with the current is very meaningless.
only boring people like alameda or you do so (which is wide mass of parrots)

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting girleegirl: Quoting femme_fatal: what if the flow falls down the chasm? flowing with the current is very meaningless. only boring people like alameda or you do so (which is wide mass of parrots) Ahhh femme I love you!! Marry me?

Quoting Elisabeth:

But you know us Bed Amerikans....we have crazy ideas, anyway!

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting Elisabeth:

Femme you are such a Dudu...just the other day you were looking at Capoeira's bum! Honestly, Femme, do you really thing girlee won't find out?

Quoting Elisabeth:

Femme you are such a Dudu...just the other day you were looking at Capoeira's bum! Honestly, Femme, do you really thing girlee won't find out?

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting femme_fatal:

Iran: Top cleric says women without veils must die

Tehran, 19 Dec. (AKI) - A top Muslim cleric in Iran, Hojatolislam Gholam Reza Hassani said on Wednesday that women in Iran who do not wear the hijab or Muslim headscarf, should die.

'Women who do not respect the hijab and their husbands deserve to die,' said Hassani, who leads Friday prayers in the city of Urumieh, in Iranian Azerbaijan.

'I do not understand how these women who do not respect the hijab, 28 years after the birth of the Islamic Republic, are still alive,' he said.

'These women and their husbands and their fathers must die,' said Hassani, who is the representative of the Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khamenei in eastern Azerbaijan.

Hassani's statements came after two Kurdish feminists in Iran were accused of being members of an armed rebel group and of carrying out subversive activities threatening the security of the state.

It is believed that his statements and the arrests could spark a fresh crackdown on women who do not repect the Islamic dress code in Iran.

Thousands of women in Iran have already been warned this year for their 'un-Islamic dress' such as wearing tight, short coats and skimpy headscarves.

http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English/Religion/?id=1.0.1687095144

Quoting Elisabeth:

They have been warned. Don't you think think its very fair that they have given them the choice - either wear coverings or die! How magnanimous of the Iranian Supreme Leader to send his envoy to warn all of these women of the coming slaughter.

Quoting Elisabeth:

They have been warned. Don't you think think its very fair that they have given them the choice - either wear coverings or die! How magnanimous of the Iranian Supreme Leader to send his envoy to warn all of these women of the coming slaughter.

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting catwoman:

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dont speak against turkIRANistan

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Quoting femme_fatal:

oh, yes! i will change, i promise, as soon as i arrive in USnA.
dont believe the gossips about capira.
there was nothing between me and her.
the only thing that happent was she wanted to crush me with her fat ass. but i didnt let her

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting Elisabeth:

And what about Sui?????!!!! Girlee, as a fellow bed amerikan I have to warn you...this Femme is dangerous!

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting girleegirl:

What a wonderful statement and it would be very convincing coming from someone who is actually flexible but all I can hear is the snapping of those brittle, stiff branches that you are perched upon.

Quoting femme_fatal:

.....flowing with the current is very meaningless. only boring people like alameda or you do so (which is wide mass of parrots)

Quoting alameda:

Yes, Fem, I'm so boring you seem to mention me several times a day. Then you refer to my posts in your posts.

Have a great day. Bayram Mubarak Olsun

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting girleegirl:

Ok, quit showing off smart girl...the language of the forums is ENGLISH!!!

Quoting alameda: