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Turkish and or muslim dress
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19 Dec 2007 Wed 11:02 pm |
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It IS obligatory to women to wear hijab or burka in Islamic states Umut. It is also obligatory to at least "cover your adnornments" if you are a muslim woman.
With regard to Nuns it is completely different! Nuns CHOOSE to devote their lives to God and are "married" to Jesus. They choose to never have a relationship with a man and to devote their lives to God completely. They do not HAVE to live their lives this way, they choose to.
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19 Dec 2007 Wed 11:03 pm |
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Quoting Umut_Umut: Why nuns wears clothes as muslims? You know they wear a headscarf and clothes which covers the whole body and something like that.
People can wear whatever they want. And its not an obligatory thing to wear a hijab or something like that. For me its just a cultural thing. |
Sounds obligitory to me when someone demands it of you.
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19 Dec 2007 Wed 11:04 pm |
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Oops! Wait...I forgot....someone didn't demand it, the situation demanded it!! Silly me.
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19 Dec 2007 Wed 11:07 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: It IS obligatory to women to wear hijab or burka in Islamic states Umut. It is also obligatory if you are a muslim woman following the Quran.
With regard to Nuns it is completely different! Nuns CHOOSE to devote their lives to God and are "married" to Jesus. They choose to never have a relationship with a man and to devote their lives to God completely. They do not HAVE to live their lives this way, they choose to. |
Dear, i dont care islamic states. And here i am not debating on their management skills. I am a muslim and i am speaking about what Allah says. I said its not an obligatory thing to wear Hijab. I did not say anything about headscarf. Headscarf and hijab is different things you know.
So there is no difference dear. If you are muslim it means its your choose as the nuns ha. If you choose islam, you should obey its rules. Nuns choose to be a candidate and they are doing what they should. And muslim women choose islam and they are doing what they should. There is no difference ha.
By the way do God need nuns life? And if they open their heads what will it be? Will we want to marry them? Will Jesus not accept them???? Why they should cover their body
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19 Dec 2007 Wed 11:14 pm |
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You may not care about Islamic states, but a high percentage of Islam is represented by them. I am well aware that Turkey do not consider hijab or burka as compulsory (and that other Islamic countries regard Turkish as bad muslims!!). However, headscarf represents exactly the same thing - a woman having to cover herself.
Umut you may like to believe that most people have CHOSEN their religion, but in fact 99% of people do not chose their religion. They are born into a culture or country of that religion and are raised to believe in that "god".
The most devout muslim, if born in the UK for example, would most certainly now be a christian or atheist. Religion is about culture 99% of the time, and people, like sheep, follow the crowd and never explore other possibilities.
Now - let me explain about nuns! The reason they cover themselves is because it teaches them to lose all vanity and concentrate on God rather than themselves. It has absolutely nothing to do with men (or their passions!). They have to shave their heads (or cut hair very short) and cover everything except the face. This is very similar to Budhist monks' reasons for shaving their heads and wearing simple robes.
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19 Dec 2007 Wed 11:19 pm |
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Quoting Umut_Umut:
Dear, i dont care islamic states. And here i am not debating on their management skills. I am a muslim and i am speaking about what Allah says. I said its not an obligatory thing to wear Hijab. I did not say anything about headscarf. Headscarf and hijab is different things you know.
So there is no difference dear. If you are muslim it means its your choose as the nuns ha. If you choose islam, you should obey its rules. Nuns choose to be a candidate and they are doing what they should. And muslim women choose islam and they are doing what they should. There is no difference ha.
By the way do God need nuns life? And if they open their heads what will it be? Will we want to marry them? Will Jesus not accept them???? Why they should cover their body |
umut
you know nothing about nuns and about christianity. so please dont speak of matters that you are not aware of.
dont be a parrot.
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19 Dec 2007 Wed 11:23 pm |
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Has Umut gone to Google "Nuns" ? 
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19 Dec 2007 Wed 11:27 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: You may not care about Islamic states, but a high percentage of Islam is represented by them. I am well aware that Turkey do not consider hijab or burka as compulsory (and that other Islamic countries regard Turkish as bad muslims!!). However, headscarf represents exactly the same thing - a woman having to cover herself.
Umut you may like to believe that most people have CHOSEN their religion, but in fact 99% of people do not chose their religion. They are born into a culture or country of that religion and are raised to believe in that "god".
The most devout muslim, if born in the UK for example, would most certainly now be a christian or atheist. Religion is about culture 99% of the time, and people, like sheep, follow the crowd and never explore other possibilities.
Now - let me explain about nuns! The reason they cover themselves is because it teaches them to lose all vanity and concentrate on God rather than themselves. It has absolutely nothing to do with men (or their passions!). They have to shave their heads (or cut hair very short) and cover everything except the face. This is very similar to Budhist monks' reasons for shaving their heads and wearing simple robes. |
Yes a woman has to cover herself. By the way a man has to cover himself too. There are limits for men too. Its the order of the Allah. And if i am muslim, it means i believe in Allah and so i have to obey His rules.
You may be right about choosing the religion. But you can see lots of people who changes their religions or who doesnt believe anymore. Its in the heart. And if i want to be a christian i will be. I can read whatever i want, i can read all religious books. There are lots of chances now. You have internet, books, magazines, friends, religious buildings etc. If there is no thing thx to God there are missionaries around.  I think its not the problem.
I respect nuns, budhists and every religion. I have to let them to live what they believe in. If they think they have to cover their heads and if they are waiting for Jesus, i can just admire them. Cos abandon the things what you can do and what you wanna do, needs strong faith.
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19 Dec 2007 Wed 11:31 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting Umut_Umut:
Dear, i dont care islamic states. And here i am not debating on their management skills. I am a muslim and i am speaking about what Allah says. I said its not an obligatory thing to wear Hijab. I did not say anything about headscarf. Headscarf and hijab is different things you know.
So there is no difference dear. If you are muslim it means its your choose as the nuns ha. If you choose islam, you should obey its rules. Nuns choose to be a candidate and they are doing what they should. And muslim women choose islam and they are doing what they should. There is no difference ha.
By the way do God need nuns life? And if they open their heads what will it be? Will we want to marry them? Will Jesus not accept them???? Why they should cover their body |
umut
you know nothing about nuns and about christianity. so please dont speak of matters that you are not aware of.
dont be a parrot. |
Are you the leader of christians or are you spokesman of them? By the way i am not saying a bad thing.
I will speak with your words, "i can speak whatever i want DEAR, dont behave as a barbarian. "
I am not a parrot, it would be great if i can. I could fly
And its good that you know that you should not speak of matters that you are not aware of. I think you should also obey your own rule
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19 Dec 2007 Wed 11:33 pm |
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Umut, it is very rare for someone to move away from their culture and upbringing (especially in a religious society) to change their religion. They will always believe that the "god" they knew as a child is the only true one.
I also have respect for other people's religion, when it is of free will, personal choice and does not involve trying to persuade others to join, or include sexism, hypocracy, harm to another person or creature and war.
...which unfortunately means I have little respect.
With regards to nuns, as I tried to explain they are not covering their heads because they are waiting for Jesus. It may be HARD for you to understand, but they are NOT covering themselves because of men. They are covering themselves to remove their personal vanity and to free their minds to concentrate solely on God. They are actually a very liberated, self-sufficient group of women.
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19 Dec 2007 Wed 11:35 pm |
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Quoting Umut_Umut:
Yes a woman has to cover herself. By the way a man has to cover himself too. There are limits for men too. Its the order of the Allah. And if i am muslim, it means i believe in Allah and so i have to obey His rules.
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do you cover yourself?
Quoting Umut_Umut:
You may be right about choosing the religion.
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however its not true about islam.
if you are muslim you cant leave it, the only way out is a death. apostates must die.
Quoting Umut_Umut:
But you can see lots of people who changes their religions or who doesnt believe anymore. Its in the heart.
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its true about other religions.
Quoting Umut_Umut:
And if i want to be a christian i will be.
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you will have a huge problem.
Quoting Umut_Umut:
I can read whatever i want, i can read all religious books. There are lots of chances now. You have internet, books, magazines, friends, religious buildings etc. If there is no thing thx to God there are missionaries around. I think its not the problem. |
however, it doesnt work so in islamic states and in many muslim countries.
Quoting Umut_Umut:
I respect nuns, budhists and every religion. I have to let them to live what they believe in. If they think they have to cover their heads and if they are waiting for Jesus, i can just admire them. Cos abandon the things what you can do and what you wanna do, needs strong faith.
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it doesnt mean that everyone should agree with each others religions.
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