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Turkish and or muslim dress
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18 Dec 2007 Tue 12:50 am |
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Quoting SERA_2005: Women who wear the hijab are covering themselves in order to be freed from the sexual looks and thoughts of men.. |
This is exactly where it becomes some hidden form of oppression!!!
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18 Dec 2007 Tue 12:51 am |
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Why is it opression,no one is forcing me to do it! It would be opression if i was forced.
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18 Dec 2007 Tue 12:54 am |
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Quoting SERA_2005: Lol i doubt it.It was on a british TV channel which goes through seasons of different programmes this particular one is under the 'umbrella' of belief.They have all sorts of different things like a talent seasons about music and some about history etc plus showing lots of other programmes.Its very mainstream and i am sure any of my fellow Brits would agree.It was like a challenge to get a group of Brits to understand,learn and live as Muslims for 3 weeks. |
I guess I have a problem with the title "make me a muslim", which really suggests nothing about understanding how muslims live, but has a clear message of trying to convert people to Islam.
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18 Dec 2007 Tue 12:54 am |
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Btw I later saw that you do it just sometimes as a sign of respect for his culture and religion, so Im just stating these in general and they have nothign to do with you. I think it is good to make small signs that though you are different you can see from their point of view too.
But by acknowledging the fact it is worn to cast off mens looks, and then still putting on a scarf, to me it means you silently agree that its your fault you are beautiful and that it is your fault that men HAVE to look at you.
I wear rather modest clothes and will never 'exhibit' goods that are not for sale. And then again, its their loss, they can only look 
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18 Dec 2007 Tue 12:59 am |
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Quoting Deli_kizin: Btw I later saw that you do it just sometimes as a sign of respect for his culture and religion, so Im just stating these in general and they have nothign to do with you. I think it is good to make small signs that though you are different you can see from their point of view too.
But by acknowledging the fact it is worn to cast off mens looks, and then still putting on a scarf, to me it means you silently agree that its your fault you are beautiful and that it is your fault that men HAVE to look at you.
I wear rather modest clothes and will never 'exhibit' goods that are not for sale. And then again, its their loss, they can only look |
How true, i think my other half would also be in agreement.I know i would.I am certainly no longer for sale.However it seems some people still like to window shop lol
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18 Dec 2007 Tue 12:59 am |
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Quoting SERA_2005: Why is it opression,no one is forcing me to do it! It would be opression if i was forced. |
It is a hidden form of oppression because it subjugates women in insidious ways. It asks women to cover themselves up as something innocent and noble, but in effect creating a system of social oppression where men get the message that it's ok for them to treat women as rape-meat and it's women's responsibility to try to avoid that.
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18 Dec 2007 Tue 01:02 am |
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Quoting Deli_kizin: But by acknowledging the fact it is worn to cast off mens looks, and then still putting on a scarf, to me it means you silently agree that its your fault you are beautiful and that it is your fault that men HAVE to look at you. |
So wise and eloquently put DK! 
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18 Dec 2007 Tue 01:05 am |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting SERA_2005: Why is it opression,no one is forcing me to do it! It would be opression if i was forced. |
It is a hidden form of oppression because it subjugates women in insidious ways. It asks women to cover themselves up as something innocent and noble, but in effect creating a system of social oppression where men get the message that it's ok for them to treat women as rape-meat and it's women's responsibility to avoid that. |
I think that you have raised some important issues.I think some people hold that women who wear sexy clothes and show lots of flesh are openly inviting rape and assault.I could not disagree with this more and find this statement disgusting and offensive.
I totally support a womens right to wear what ever she wants however i am simply saying that for me and many other women i sometimes like to cover my hair just out of respect for example when i am going to visit his grandparents or going to a family grave for example as well as some days when i feel like it.I know many of my young 'modern' turkish female friends tell me i am crazy and they don't wear it because its too traditional and religious.Yet they still find themselves helping their mothers make dinner and doing most if not all of the chores.Hmm seems they are willing to do some things and not others.
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18 Dec 2007 Tue 01:13 am |
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Quoting SERA_2005: I think that you have raised some important issues.I think some people hold that women who wear sexy clothes and show lots of flesh are openly inviting rape and assault.I could not disagree with this more and find this statement disgusting and offensive.
I totally support a womens right to wear what ever she wants however i am simply saying that for me and many other women i sometimes like to cover my hair just out of respect for example when i am going to visit his grandparents or going to a family grave for example as well as some days when i feel like it.I know many of my young 'modern' turkish female friends tell me i am crazy and they don't wear it because its too traditional and religious.Yet they still find themselves helping their mothers make dinner and doing most if not all of the chores.Hmm seems they are willing to do some things and not others. |
Makes sense.
(but based on what you mentioned, I still have a problem with that tv program)
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18 Dec 2007 Tue 12:24 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting SERA_2005: I think that you have raised some important issues.I think some people hold that women who wear sexy clothes and show lots of flesh are openly inviting rape and assault.I could not disagree with this more and find this statement disgusting and offensive.
I totally support a womens right to wear what ever she wants however i am simply saying that for me and many other women i sometimes like to cover my hair just out of respect for example when i am going to visit his grandparents or going to a family grave for example as well as some days when i feel like it.I know many of my young 'modern' turkish female friends tell me i am crazy and they don't wear it because its too traditional and religious.Yet they still find themselves helping their mothers make dinner and doing most if not all of the chores.Hmm seems they are willing to do some things and not others. |
Makes sense.
(but based on what you mentioned, I still have a problem with that tv program) |
It was really interesting actually.Its a shame you won't get to see it.
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18 Dec 2007 Tue 04:36 pm |
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Out of respect for me, my husband supports my refusal to ever set foot in a mosque. I love my husband and respect his culture, but I don't feel like I have to demean myself so that he knows I respect him. To cover yourself because of some insane idea that you give a man sexual thoughts is outrageous! NOBODY can control the thoughts and feelings of another human being.
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