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Turkish and or muslim dress
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19 Dec 2007 Wed 11:35 pm |
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Quoting Umut_Umut:
Yes a woman has to cover herself. By the way a man has to cover himself too. There are limits for men too. Its the order of the Allah. And if i am muslim, it means i believe in Allah and so i have to obey His rules.
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do you cover yourself? 
Quoting Umut_Umut:
You may be right about choosing the religion.
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however its not true about islam.
if you are muslim you cant leave it, the only way out is a death. apostates must die.
Quoting Umut_Umut:
But you can see lots of people who changes their religions or who doesnt believe anymore. Its in the heart.
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its true about other religions.
Quoting Umut_Umut:
And if i want to be a christian i will be.
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you will have a huge problem.
Quoting Umut_Umut:
I can read whatever i want, i can read all religious books. There are lots of chances now. You have internet, books, magazines, friends, religious buildings etc. If there is no thing thx to God there are missionaries around. I think its not the problem. |
however, it doesnt work so in islamic states and in many muslim countries.
Quoting Umut_Umut:
I respect nuns, budhists and every religion. I have to let them to live what they believe in. If they think they have to cover their heads and if they are waiting for Jesus, i can just admire them. Cos abandon the things what you can do and what you wanna do, needs strong faith.
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it doesnt mean that everyone should agree with each others religions.
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19 Dec 2007 Wed 11:38 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Umut, it is very rare for someone to move away from their culture and upbringing (especially in a religious society) to change their religion. They will always believe that the "god" they knew as a child is the only true one.
Right but if someone wants he can do. Its the point for me.
I also have respect for other people's religion, when it is of free will, personal choice and does not involve trying to persuade others to join, or include sexism, harm to another person or creature and war.
I agree with you.
...which unfortunately means I have little respect.
With regards to nuns, as I tried to explain they are not covering their heads because they are waiting for Jesus. It may be HARD for you to understand, but they are NOT covering themselves because of men. They are covering themselves to remove their personal vanity and to free their minds to concentrate solely on God. |
Maybe i cant understand. I was speaking about what you said before.(About the Jesus thing) If you say so i should just agree. And its not my business. I didnt want to interfere or comment their life. I just wanted to give an example.
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19 Dec 2007 Wed 11:41 pm |
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Quoting Umut_Umut:
Are you the leader of christians or are you spokesman of them? By the way i am not saying a bad thing.
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im the roman pope.
im not an advocate, im just stating your poor knowledge.
i havent said you sad bad about nuns.
Quoting Umut_Umut:
I will speak with your words, 'i can speak whatever i want DEAR, dont behave as a barbarian. '
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you are more than welcome to speak whatever you want.
but watch it, i will reply you and there will be the consequences.
Quoting Umut_Umut:
I am not a parrot, it would be great if i can. I could fly
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you are a parrot, you repeat what you heard, but never in your life have researched any other judaistic religions.
Quoting Umut_Umut:
And its good that you know that you should not speak of matters that you are not aware of. I think you should also obey your own rule |
im more than aware of what i speak.
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19 Dec 2007 Wed 11:42 pm |
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Quoting Umut_Umut: Maybe i cant understand. I was speaking about what you said before.(About the Jesus thing) If you say so i should just agree. And its not my business. I didnt want to interfere or comment their life. I just wanted to give an example. |
Why don't you want to understand other religions and comment? I didn't become an agnostic through ignorance - it took a great deal of studying 
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19 Dec 2007 Wed 11:42 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting Umut_Umut:
Yes a woman has to cover herself. By the way a man has to cover himself too. There are limits for men too. Its the order of the Allah. And if i am muslim, it means i believe in Allah and so i have to obey His rules.
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do you cover yourself?
Quoting Umut_Umut:
You may be right about choosing the religion.
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however its not true about islam.
if you are muslim you cant leave it, the only way out is a death. apostates must die.
Quoting Umut_Umut:
But you can see lots of people who changes their religions or who doesnt believe anymore. Its in the heart.
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its true about other religions.
Quoting Umut_Umut:
And if i want to be a christian i will be.
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you will have a huge problem.
Quoting Umut_Umut:
I can read whatever i want, i can read all religious books. There are lots of chances now. You have internet, books, magazines, friends, religious buildings etc. If there is no thing thx to God there are missionaries around. I think its not the problem. |
however, it doesnt work so in islamic states and in many muslim countries.
Quoting Umut_Umut:
I respect nuns, budhists and every religion. I have to let them to live what they believe in. If they think they have to cover their heads and if they are waiting for Jesus, i can just admire them. Cos abandon the things what you can do and what you wanna do, needs strong faith.
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it doesnt mean that everyone should agree with each others religions.
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Yes i am covering myself. Do you wanna see. But i am not covering myself for you. So you dont need to care me. Be on your business..
Islam dont tie anyone. If you dont want to be a muslim anymore you can leave. And ıf i will be a christian there wont be a huge problem. Now in islamic states nearly %30 population believe christianity and other religions. So they can live ha.
it doesnt mean that everyone should agree with each others religions. >>> Who said that?
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19 Dec 2007 Wed 11:44 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting Umut_Umut: Maybe i cant understand. I was speaking about what you said before.(About the Jesus thing) If you say so i should just agree. And its not my business. I didnt want to interfere or comment their life. I just wanted to give an example. |
Why don't you want to understand other religions and comment? I didn't become an agnostic through ignorance - it took a great deal of studying |
I want to understand. Who said it. And i read Bible. I am not a close person. I am reading about religions. But for me islam is the right one. And i think i have rights to choose my own religion
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19 Dec 2007 Wed 11:45 pm |
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Quoting Umut_Umut: Yes i am covering myself. Do you wanna see. But i am not covering myself for you. So you dont need to care me. Be on your business.. |
Why are you being so defensive? It was you who raised the subject of men covering themselves. As far as I can see, no Turkish men follow this rule, and very few remain virgins before marriage.
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19 Dec 2007 Wed 11:47 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting Umut_Umut:
Are you the leader of christians or are you spokesman of them? By the way i am not saying a bad thing.
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im the roman pope.
im not an advocate, im just stating your poor knowledge.
i havent said you sad bad about nuns.
Quoting Umut_Umut:
I will speak with your words, 'i can speak whatever i want DEAR, dont behave as a barbarian. '
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you are more than welcome to speak whatever you want.
but watch it, i will reply you and there will be the consequences.
Quoting Umut_Umut:
I am not a parrot, it would be great if i can. I could fly
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you are a parrot, you repeat what you heard, but never in your life have researched any other judaistic religions.
Quoting Umut_Umut:
And its good that you know that you should not speak of matters that you are not aware of. I think you should also obey your own rule |
im more than aware of what i speak. |
How can you be sure of my life? How can you be sure if i know something? I think you are just speaking nonsense. Dont be aggressive DEAR.
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19 Dec 2007 Wed 11:48 pm |
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Quoting Umut_Umut: I want to understand. Who said it. And i read Bible. I am not a close person. I am reading about religions. But for me islam is the right one. And i think i have rights to choose my own religion |
Yes you do - but don't expect to learn about Christianity from reading the Bible.
Unfortunately, like Islam and the Quran, MEN have interpreted and created their own religion, to their own benefit, which has little to do with the original teachings of the bible.
As an example, read the Bible again and then tell me what it has to do with Catholicism?
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19 Dec 2007 Wed 11:51 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting Umut_Umut: Yes i am covering myself. Do you wanna see. But i am not covering myself for you. So you dont need to care me. Be on your business.. |
Why are you being so defensive? It was you who raised the subject of men covering themselves. As far as I can see, no Turkish men follow this rule, and very few remain virgins before marriage. |
Look men covering is different. We dont cover our head. I said there are limits for men. And if you wear a norman trouser and a pullover or something like that, its ok.
Quoting AEnigma III: As far as I can see, no Turkish men follow this rule, and very few remain virgins before marriage. |
Then you meet few people. By the way Turkish doesnt means muslim. A turk can be muslim, christian, budhist, non beliver bla bla bla. And as i said before obeying the rules or not is their own problem. Its with Allah and themself. I cant interfere it.
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19 Dec 2007 Wed 11:52 pm |
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Quoting Umut_Umut:
Dear, i dont care islamic states.
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but they are pure koranic states
Quoting Umut_Umut:
I am a muslim and i am speaking about what Allah says.
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very interesting
Quoting Umut_Umut:
I said its not an obligatory thing to wear Hijab.
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support it
Quoting Umut_Umut:
Headscarf and hijab is different things you know.
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wow! what is the difference? one covers less than another? 
Quoting Umut_Umut:
So there is no difference dear.
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if you dont see it, it doesnt mean theresnt.
Quoting Umut_Umut:
If you are muslim it means its your choose as the nuns ha. If you choose islam, you should obey its rules. Nuns choose to be a candidate and they are doing what they should. And muslim women choose islam and they are doing what they should. There is no difference ha.
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to cover is obligatory to everyone in islam.
while its not so in christianity.
you simply dont know what you are talking about.
theres nothing written about nuns and their coverings in the bible.
Quoting Umut_Umut:
By the way do God need nuns life?
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 you dont know?
how come you speak of things you dont know?
Quoting Umut_Umut:
And if they open their heads what will it be? Will we want to marry them? Will Jesus not accept them???? Why they should cover their body |
you are a simple parrot, never ever read or learnt anything about christianity and you speak such rubbish.
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