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Thread: The so called armenian genocide Facts\accusations

821.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 24 Oct 2008 Fri 01:08 am

 

Quoting Temora

 boys?did we use to play in one sand box?at least we do not beg mods 4 deleting your posts"

 

 Because there is no reason to deletion of his post

 

Anyway good to see that this is peaceful so far!



Thread: The so called armenian genocide Facts\accusations

822.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 24 Oct 2008 Fri 01:07 am

I have to agree with thehandsom here, especially your notion on the reliability of a government that refers to mountain turks and denies them being Kurd. But also partially with Aenigma. Its true, who are ´we´ to speak of those though ´we´ do not know for sure, considering everything ´we´ have done to the east? Really, I have started to believe that the policies of the great powers in the eastern question have led quite much to the disturbed politics of the middle east now and the rise of radical islam as a response to european (disgusting) imperialsm. There we are pointing out how bad TR is. But that doesnt take away the right for a grief to be said out loud. And that doesnt mean there is a division plan Yet, when someone would point me at what my ancestors did, I wouldnt say ´they did it too´ or ´they started it´, Especially the last one sounds like ´they asked for it´.

 

 



Thread: The so called armenian genocide Facts\accusations

823.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 23 Oct 2008 Thu 11:39 pm

 

Quoting si++

Yes you are. Let´s call it tragedy for being sake at least for now. Then some Turks+Kurds were killed by them. They were killed by Turks+Kurds. And they started it first.

 

Actually yes, the Armenians had armed forces who fought for freedom. And if you ask me, it is only a natural reaction of the Ottoman Empire to react to it to turn the revolt down. Just such a shame they took down the civilians too, not only the armed forces. And the numbers of people who were killed on each side are significantly different! The numbers Turkey speculates, and which ´you´ all get taught at school, are way too little. But you are right, it is a tragedy that started from the Armenian separist armed forces. That is why I dont think it is a genocide (look up what the criteria are for smt to be called genocide), I tend to think of it as a civil war in which the Ottoman Empire went too far. There isnt enough evidence for it to be called a genocide if you ask me. But yes, there was mass deportation and massacres. So I think Turkey is very wrong to deny such a thing happened, on the basis that it doesnt fit the term ´genocide´. I have to add though, that some officers have been brought to court for misbehavior during the deportations.

 

 

I don´t think those who has recognised considered the historical facts. Anyway you are all Christians. That´s OK. Who would you take a side with? Of course with them. They are your Christian brothers afters all, right? You don´t even bother mentioning those who were killed by Armenians at all.

I recognize something like that happened, I jsut dont think genocide is the right term for what happened. And I am not a Christian, and definitely not siding with any religious or ethnical affiliations because I have none. And I do bother mentioning the murders the Armenians inflicted upon the Turkish population. I am however convinced that Turkish numbers are not reliable at all. Numbers in historybooks dont stem with the archives of Ottoman Empire that mention landownership by armenians, and people who were left to cultivate those lands. Just one example.

 

And of course this is a part of a big plan to divide Turkey. Let´s assume Turkey has accepted it. Now can you tell me, what´s next? (A hypothetical question)

I understand your frustration about Christian-brotherhood feelings and the word genocide and the denial of Armenian deeds. However, I suggest you get some help because you suffer from the Sevres-syndrome. There is no such thing as a partition plan for Turkey. It is only Turks who have ever heard of this plan!

 

As for your hypothetical question, I have not much knowledge on that, but I know that they will have to pay many Armenian families, and also for their material losses of land, houses etc. That is why I am a little suspicious of Armenian motives: is it really about sentiment (which they are entitled to!! dont get me wrong), or is it for the money, because when the question came up, turkish economics was going up too.

 

 



Thread: New Groups - Beginner 1

824.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 23 Oct 2008 Thu 07:19 am

Again I fail to understand how it is possible to love someone you cannot communicate with.

 

Anyway we´ll add you to the list of applicants for beginners 1



Thread: What made you laugh today?

825.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 23 Oct 2008 Thu 05:47 am

 

Quoting Elisabeth

 I don´t know.....I was hoping someone could enlighten me!  It does sound a little kinky!{#lang_emotions_shy}

 

 It only seems kinky the first time is what they say!



Thread: What made you laugh today?

826.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 23 Oct 2008 Thu 05:45 am

lol lol lol When you quote a post of L O LDiana, it immediately translates to lol within the quote!

 

It speaks for itself Id say lol



Thread: A Turkish husband

827.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 23 Oct 2008 Thu 05:44 am

 

Quoting loldiana

Love the men.

 

 This is not gonna get you anywhere near a marriage with a Turkish man lol



Thread: translation please

828.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 23 Oct 2008 Thu 05:30 am

 

Quoting ayseee

how long are you going to be in Istanbul?

 

 Ne kadar Ýstanbul´da kalacaksýn/olacaksýn?



Thread: I am dýsappoýnted with people here

829.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 23 Oct 2008 Thu 05:25 am

 

Quoting girleegirl

 Well AE was jealous of kitty and melty so she may not mind if you have a fag.  {#lang_emotions_bigsmile}

 

 lol lol



Thread: I am dýsappoýnted with people here

830.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 23 Oct 2008 Thu 02:35 am

 

Quoting lesluv

 i´m not sure if that is pc any more{#lang_emotions_lol_fast}

 

 Weren´t we supposed to be superficial lol



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