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Thread: You have to kill terrorists. Nothing else works.. (really?)

941.       armegon
1872 posts
 14 Jan 2009 Wed 02:31 am

 

Quoting tamikidakika

who is joseph? wasn`t his father god?{#lang_emotions_bigsmile}

 

 dont think so , Joseph was a craftsman and descendant of David, later got married to Marry and died in early age...



Thread: You have to kill terrorists. Nothing else works.. (really?)

942.       armegon
1872 posts
 14 Jan 2009 Wed 01:56 am

 

Quoting tamikidakika

how about his father{#lang_emotions_unsure}{#lang_emotions_lol_fast}

 

 His father should be Joseph, only this way he could have being called messiah {#lang_emotions_wink} 



Thread: You have to kill terrorists. Nothing else works.. (really?)

943.       armegon
1872 posts
 11 Jan 2009 Sun 02:03 am

 

Quoting thehandsom

everybody with common sense

 

 mainly the only ones who are demagogs{#lang_emotions_satisfied_nod}

Quoting thehandsom 

I dont think you are able to understand what I said here though..I am telling you WE treated kurds as if they are dirts and we have PKK, Israel treats palestinians the same way, they get Hamas. Is it difficult to understand? not simple enough?

 

But you havent got my point either, im saying the opposite, Israel´s attitude and violence cannot be comparable. And hamas and pkk are different on the basis but they were used by same mentality.

Quoting thehandsom

Even the writer I started this thread said something like ´Moreover, it was us who alienated that people by our systemic injustice. For decades, our authoritarian state had banned the Kurds’ language, humiliated their culture, and crushed their political efforts.´

Injustice not only for Kurds but the whole ethnics including Turks. Kurds do not have priviledge. Kurdish is impossible to be banned in public, its just banned in official foundations just like other languages because Turkish is the official language of the country by constitution and one of the unchangable law applied by Atatürk. I dont think they are humiliated by their culture but humiliated maybe the problem that caused through the history. They have in politics as Turkish citizens since republic was established, even we had Kurdish prime ministers, presidents etc and now they are represented in Parliament nearly 200 parliamentarian. Only separatist Kurdish movements banned. But of course you dont accept this and continue to care for only Kurds like Kurdish nationalists. Have you seen any parliamenters praising Al Qaida for instance in US congress? We have pkk admirers its our speciality

 

Quoting thehandsom

But of course, you can not accept that because, if you do, you will suddenly come to terms with lies you have believed such as ´it is all terrorism, they are all coming from EU and USA´

 

 The lies you have believed, taught and used to brainwash by those which i continously emphasize

Quoting thehandsom

what turning is that? can you prove? can you show if they are not in line what I said before?

 

 As far as i remember you have never mentioned something like pkk is widely supported by kurds, thats the turning point i think, maybe i remembered wrong{#lang_emotions_confused}

Quoting thehandsom

How do you come up with the idea that I do respect the terrorists? 

 

 From your comments here on TLC , with your effort to justify pkk terrrorism, curse everything regarding Turkish

Quoting thehandsom

Where did I say that they did not have basic rights because they were stateles? Of course if there was not PKK do you think there would be a kurdish television? if there would be why on earth so many years we said that ´kurdish is not allowed´?

 

Actually its not the pkk of course, its the ones who use pkk and also dictate their orders to Turkish governments, its the ones who firstly visit Diyarbakýr instead of Ankara arrogantly, its the ones who wants to make south east distinct province. I am also against Kurdish to be used on state´s official tv since its not the official language of the country. Its one of AKP´s investment for the elections. Kurds can open their private televisions, their private schools, there isnt any official difficulty for this, and i really appreciate that they open Kurdish language filology, Kurdish literature etc in some universities.

 

I never cursed Kurdish language or Kurdish people btw thehandsom you cant prove this unfortunately...

 

Quoting thehandsom

I can give you at least 100 famous writers name who think the same..And they are mainly intellects of Turkey writers, columnists etc ....

 

 Are those the intellects who started campaign of apology to Armenians? Nope, dont fancy any of them...

Quoting thehandsom 

But very typical..when you feel you run out of argument, blame EU/USA/WEST and Soros lol lol

 Its like vicious circle really. Likewise when you feel you run out of argument, your rope is to blame Turkish army, nationalism and arcism

 

Quoting thehandsom

 As I said, I am really enjoying it..

 But its becoming boring day by day, please come with your so-called facts  from history which you learned from great historians like Pamuk ...

 



Thread: the killing continues, GAZA

944.       armegon
1872 posts
 10 Jan 2009 Sat 09:56 pm

 

Quoting alameda

 Ah but dear Armegon...

 

Ah but dear Alameda, since now over 800 people killed and 235 of them were children. It seems they prefer to listen the rabbis i mentioned...



Thread: You have to kill terrorists. Nothing else works.. (really?)

945.       armegon
1872 posts
 10 Jan 2009 Sat 09:50 pm

 

 

Quoting thehandsom

Pleasure is all mine..you trust me..

 

 , that will never happen, i mean the trust issue...

Quoting thehandsom

Is this your last stand? lol lol I am telling you similarities about what causes those people to take arms. and your answer is "Demagogy dont work on me"  {#lang_emotions_laugh_at}

 

Im also talking about theres no similarity and i added demogogy doesnt affect me as a reply to "everybody sees the similarities" phrase, is it diffucult to understand? Btw i wonder who are those "everybody"? If you mean TLC, no problem but i know many people who refuted this similarity since hamas visited Turkey.

Quoting thehandsom

I never labelled palestinians terrorists at all..(show me if you insist.) I always said that hamas is the result of israel´s actions..Hamas is the result of what people are caplable of doing when you corner them like animals or treat them like animals.. (that is how it started with PKK as well..Diyarbakir prison)

 

When you resembled pkk with hamas, yourself labelled palestinians. I will be surprised if you got it as you see pkk terrorists as freedom fighters ??. The thing you couldnt perceive is Israel is an occupier unlike Turkey. And again you seem zonked to me when you compare an occupation to the Diyarbakýr prison. I wonder how far you can go with this mentality..

Quoting thehandsom

PKK is widely suported by Kurds..dont lie to yourself..

Even people who have nothing to do with pkk acknowledeges that all the gains kurds have such as recognition as a different ethnic group, language, kurdish tv etc because of PKK..at least most of the kurds respect that..Telling the opposite will be lying.

Its a nice turning from you , you have never mentioned this before. But i do know you have respect for terrorists. Then why dont they really voice it publicly? I think it is the most suitable time. Are they ashamed of something? Actually i have to agree maybe the first time with you on this issue , many of them support terrorists in someways. I just voiced the general view that "But most of the Kurds in Turkey do not fancy with pkk".  One of the interesting thing i realized that none of Kurdish friends that i recognized in my life support these terrorist, actually they clearly curse them except some complaints about Turkish government.

And you think firstly they didnt have basic rights, they were stateless, but then they got many rights by the help of pkk. do you really believe this? unbelievable really. So it can be an object lesson for other ethnicities to refer terrorism, let Turkey provoke the Turks in Greece since they are oppressed in Greece and encourage them to kill Grek civilians.

 

 hmmm, thehandsom says famous Diyarbakýr prison created pkk, how shallow thinking this is. As always you are praising pkk terrorism which is no longer surprising for me...

Quoting thehandsom

what basic rights?

Check the latest Turkish Economic and Social Studies Foundation, or TESEV report on the Kurdish problem..

here is the link for you.. (kurdish is indispensible prerequisite) see what I am talking about? While everybody acknowledges the basic rights have been denied for kurds. Insisting that ´it was not the case´ is going to be ´not telling the truth´. 

Kurds have been living in the same land for thousands of years..Of course there is not accupation..

About women and children? I dont want to answer that question because It will be simply embarresing. (Please check  EU court cases and how many times as a country we have been found guilty and ACCEPTED and paid the punisments..You will have plenty of examples)   

 

I dont rely on TESEV supported by Soros unfortunately. What embrassing?  Dont hesitate to voice them, how many times Turkey accepted and paid money for killing children and women, in how many months/years did it reach to the number of children massacred by Israel just in few days?Btw who will pay for those thousands of innocents killed by terrorists?

Quoting thehandsom

how can you say that they were not to blame? 

 

 Army isnt just the only one to be blamed{#lang_emotions_wink}

Quoting thehandsom

I am comparing pkk with hamas and you can nothing to do about it..Not only me..people even in Turkey is comparing both situations as you saw in the first post.

Simply people should wake up and stop more killings..

Because of you (in generic sense btw) people are still dying..They could have been prevented years ago..

 

 Why you angry ? As i said its the new trend, using Turkey to justify Israel´s occupation and mass-killings. And you can do nothing if i refute your comparison, not only me btw ...



Thread: tur to eng

946.       armegon
1872 posts
 09 Jan 2009 Fri 11:45 pm

 

Quoting lady in red

 

 

 {#lang_emotions_unsure}



Thread: You have to kill terrorists. Nothing else works.. (really?)

947.       armegon
1872 posts
 09 Jan 2009 Fri 10:43 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

Well I never thought for a second you would agree what I said basically..

 

 Thats my pleasure ...

Quoting thehandsom

Apart from you, almosy everybody sees the similarities and what causes those people to take arms.

 

 I just showed these organizations are not similar. Demagogy dont work on me unfortunately...

Quoting thehandsom

But according to you, Palestinians are right but Kurds are wrong..

 

No, im not saying one of them is right or wrong in the first place. Im saying comparison between pkk and hamas is nonsense and simply emphasized they are different. I dont see all Kurds as terrorists whereas it seems you nearly labelled all palestinians as terrorists because of hamas. Actually i do not sympathize with hamas, i do think they have been realizing terrorist acts, thats what Israel desires, hamas know this of course, but i know that Israel can always find an excuse to occupy, it was same before hamas and i also know that Israel using some groups in Palestinians to divide them.

Quoting thehandsom

What I am saying here is so obvious..what caused the terrorism in Turkey is very similar to what has been going  on in Israel (though in Israel, everything is harsher)..

Really? Whats that similarity? I have never realized that pkk is widely supoorted by Kurds or Turks whereas it seems hamas is supported by public.

 

Quoting thehandsom

But what I said was that ´not giving them to basic rights CAUSED the terrorism in Turkey´

 

What basic rights are you talking about? And how can you compare it with Palestine? Is Turkey occupying the lands of Kurds? Is Turkey killing women and children? We are talking about the first right of humanity which is living, thats not valid for Kurds. The only reason that cause pkk to rebel is to ban their language(it has never been banned actually but never been an official language in Turkey like the language of other ethnicities, if it is the case, today its hard to find Kurdish speaking people, in fact there are still many people who dont know Turkish) and humiliate them or any other factors as i mentioned many times here?

Quoting thehandsom

Something is causing them to be terrorists.(In my country´s case, it was our brain dead nationalism and the army)

 

 , im not surprised, it will be last stop that you will put all the blame on nationalism and the army...

Quoting thehandsom

If you want to see more dead people in Turkey or in Palestine, it is your wish, your choice. Not mine..

 

  Simply, do not compare Israel with Turkey or hamas with pkk {#lang_emotions_wink}...



Thread: You have to kill terrorists. Nothing else works.. (really?)

948.       armegon
1872 posts
 09 Jan 2009 Fri 07:27 pm

I think the only mistake in ME is zionist Israel thehandsom. The region was in peace for nearly 400 hundred years till the WW1. And if you equalize or compare pkk and hamas, i would understand from that you are trying to say that Turkey is an occupier in south-east(eðer böyle bir þey kastediyorsan zaten git sen kumda oyna daha iyi ). Because Israel has been occupying Gazze, Golem and west sheria for about 35 years. Laws of nations also say this, there are lots of legal decisions that say Israel should step back the lands that she occupied but evevrybody knows Israel ignores this.

 

So if you FULLY compare pkk and hamas, this means you want to say pkk is fighting against the occupation of Turkey which is simply absurd. Now you see how terrorism flourished in Palestine? But dont ignore the biggest terrorist there. But you are right on something both this organizations supported by same forces. Its what Israel desires actually. If not hamas, they will sure find an another excuse, if not pkk, some will find another terrorist organization, nothing changes.

 

Pkk is a terrorist organization for sure, but hamas supported by 70% of palestenians, one of them fighting against the occupation, other one just terrorising the country. Thats the disticntion. If you also compare pkk and hamas, i would have to say that you are trying to justify the occupation of Israel using Turkey, and you see all palestenians as terrorists like Israel.

 

And you again using agitations that does not make sense really. It seems you and whitepath are also good at demagogy ...

 

  



Thread: You have to kill terrorists. Nothing else works.. (really?)

949.       armegon
1872 posts
 09 Jan 2009 Fri 05:19 pm

 

Quoting catwoman

Nobody said they are "equal", just "similar", in the sense that their roots is oppression.

 

 But they are not similar in that sense what you meant . Actually they are not comparable as i mentioned...



Thread: You have to kill terrorists. Nothing else works.. (really?)

950.       armegon
1872 posts
 09 Jan 2009 Fri 06:33 am

I think its the new trend to equalize pkk and hamas . Such an absurd and foolish mentality can imagine this. Firstle how can one compare palestenians with kurds really? Kurds have rights in Turkey and citizens of Turkey as well as Iran, Iraq, Syria. They represented in Turkish parliament. There are also ethnically Turks citizens of Iran, Iraq. Anyway, on the other side Palestenians have different status, they have authority on their lands recognized by other countries, but they are under blockage and occupation of Israel, they are caged by Israel, even in cease-fire period they were subjected to electricity and water shortage, they were not able to find medicine for their patients. Now they are subjected to one of the routine Israel massacres.

 

And when one try to compare pkk and hamas, its easy to see difference clearly, firstly pkk is a terrorist organization established by Turkish citizens in TURKEY and its target is Turkey´s unity hence pkk is a terrorist organization by firstly the laws of Turkey whereas hamas is not a terrorist organization established inside of Israel or by the citizens of Israel. According to lawsof nations and also laws of Israel, Hamas is an organization established in foreign lands called Palestine. Hamas did also join and won the elections in Palestine by the help of Israel unlike pkk. Actually it seems not possible for pkk.

 

For instance if pkk were to join and won the elections in Iraq and then Turkey was trying to occupy their lands, this time maybe comparable. Hamas has also terrorist acts(its not comparable with Israel), but it seems their acts was legalized by the elections, on the contrary pkk has no legal actions, its well known terrorist organization in the world recognized by many countries...



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