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27 Jan 2006 Fri 06:26 pm |
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Quoting erdinc: Quoting bod:
But if the first 'noun' is actually a verbal noun, is the '(s)i' suffix still added to the second noun??? |
Yes bod,
your theory is correct but the examples aren't correct. So let me give other examples:
1. In these example we have verbal nouns. These nouns are made of verbs by adding the suffix -ma. So we have a verbal noun and next to it a noun. These together make a noun modification.
yarışma sorusu : contest question
konuşma tarzı : style of speech
yürüme hızı : walking speed
atlama yükşekliği : jumping height
kırılma açısı: breaking angle
yüzme mesafesi : swimming distance
2. In these examples we have verbal adjectives. The first words are verbal adjectives and the second words are nouns. These together make a noun phrase.
gülen polis - laughing policeman
uçan domuz - flying pig
konuşan bebek - talking doll
These ones differ from the first set in many ways. If you have a noun phrase with an adjective and noun you can add more adjectives:
çok gülen polis
yüksekten uçan domuz
sürekli konuşan bebek
You can make it undefinied :
gülen bir polis (Gülen bir polis görmedim)
Uçan bir at
konuşan bir kuş
With the first set we cant do these.
Notice that we could have build the noun phrases with ordinary adjectives as well and it would have been the same way:
uçan domuz > şişman domuz
konuşan bebek > küçük bebek
Notice that the famous -dik suffix is in the same category with this -en suffix you see in uçan. They make verbal adjectives out of verbs. (1) There are a few more the same kind. Also notice that they need to be followed by a noun.
-an, -en
Example:
koşan adam
-dık, -dik, -duk, -dük, -tık, -tik, -tuk, -tük
Examples:
okuduğun kitap
gördüğüm film
-acak, -ecek
Examples:
"yapacak çok iş" var.
Adam "olacak çocuk"...
-maz, -mez
Examples:
bitmez çile
çıkmaz acı
yanmaz kumaş
–mış, -miş, -muş, -müş
Example:
okumuş adam
(1)
The -dik suffix (verbal adverb, also known as participle) as in "okuduğum kitap" is mixed with the -diği suffix as in "geldiğim zaman". the -diği suffix is a verbal adverb suffix. Also the -dik suffix and the -diği suffix both are mixed with the simple past tense.
Have a look on this topic:
http://forum.seslisozluk.com/showthread.php?t=6367
Verbal adjectives and verbal adverbs are the most advanced topic in Turkish grammar. If you learn them properly you will have covered most of the topics.
By the way, to our learners who are not interested in grammar may I add that you don't need to become an expert on Turkish grammar at all to learn the language. |
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