This picture shows a classroom in Pakistan. I think classrooms in Islamic countries are generally like this. Pictures on
this page on the other hand, were taken ten days ago in Turkia. These are primary school students aged from 5 to 12 gathered together for a birthday celabration of the Islamic prophet. The event was carried in a sports hall with permission and attendance of local authorities and instead with out national anthem it started by kids reading Quran.

People from poor backgrounds who have not much hope for a better life have reserved their hopes for the afterlife and have found consolidation in religion.

Canlı,
In the Islamic countries you have been so far how were boys and girls sitting at primary schools? Where they sitting mixed or separated? I'm sure you are going to dance around this question and wont give any information.

The desks on that picture are devided by sex as men's desk (bay veznesi) and womens desk (bayan veznesi). Not the poeple on that picture but the mayor of Istanbul led by AK party is doing wrong here.

This is a water payment desk of Istanbul council and is an official department.

You might think this is very normal but according their belive men and women need to be separated everywhere including classrooms. They want to start the separation in first class in primary schools.

Maybe those who claim to know a lot about other Islamic countries will tell us about their primary schools. Are girls and boys sitting mixed or not? Tell the truth.

Many Islamic countries are hundreds of years behind civilization. In many Islamic countries females are considered like objects to be bought and sold. They have no rights at all. They have no right to chose the man they are going to marry, no right to vote, no right for inheritance, no right for modern education, no right to work, no right to chose where they live, no right to divorce (asking for divorce would be main reason for killing them).

In many Islamic countries even a cow is considered more valuable than girls. Females are not even counted as children of a family. In many of those countries if you ask a man how many children he has he might say five. This means he has five sons. They don't count the girls. Girls will be sold when they become 13.

Ottomans have ruled those countries for hundreds of years. Those are our neighbours. We have a responsibility in those lands to help our neighbours. We need to help them to become more modern.

For now let's solve our domestic problems but in the future we are going to help our neigbours. Don't worry, with time we'll fix them.

Here is my source for imam supervisor on eduactional department: http://www.radikal.com.tr/haber.php?haberno=60233

Here is my source for imam supervisor on hospital:
http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/gundem/4851097.asp?m=1&gid=69&srid=3041&oid=4

This newspaper article mentions the planned ban on alcohol:
http://www.milliyet.com.tr/2005/12/30/siyaset/axsiy02.html

Here is an article that mentions a moscue advertising their marriage office:
http://www.bianet.org/2006/08/24/84113.htm

I could go on for ages. The thing is that with their actions they are alowing radicals to spread and they encourage radicalism. They are just hiding right now but they have many times said things like changing secularism to a new system.

Ömer Dinçer, undersecretary of the prime ministry said that the republic and secularism should give way for Islamic coalescence. The high court ruled that his views were agains the constitution. Source:
http://www.hukuki.net/haber/index.asp?id=601

Our Supreme Court has ruled that the first round of prime minister elections are invalid.
http://www.ntvmsnbc.com/news/406777.asp

What this means is that Islamic politician Abdullah Gül won't become the new president.

The presidency is a critical place for Islamic politicians because it has the power to assign supreme court members and university presidents.

Islamic politics is very easy to understand. This is what they want to do step by step:

1. Critical administrative units will be occupied by Islamic rooted people. (this has already happened in most areas. Imams are in charge on top positions of eduactional departments or healt departments or even on fire department. Everywhere you see them. These days you can't even become a headteacher in any local school in Turkia if you are not close to Islamic politics).

2. headscarf will be allowed at universities for students. That will be the breaking point if it happens.

3. headscarf will be allowed for lecturers at universities

4. headscarf will be allowed for teachers at public schools

5. headscarf will be allowed at secondary schools for students

6. headscarf will be allowed at primary schools for students. Imagine even one generation (10 years) kids growing with the religious education, all brain washed.

A few years ago I was a teacher in a school in Ankara and there comes this new maths teacher into the teachers room wearing a headscarf. We were all shocked and told her that she can't go into the classroom like that. She become mad and said she was a ring of a chain and would fight for their ideas and didn't care for the rules not even for the constitution. Off course she was reported and dismissed from the job.

7. weekend days will be changed to friday and saturday so it will include the holy friday.

8. Working hours will be changed according praying times.

9. Number of prayer rooms (mescit) will increase in official departments.

10. Islamic marriage (imam nikahı ) will become legal and equal to official marriage.

11. Polygamy will become legal. Already many of the AK party members have multiple wives.

12. Alcohol will be banned.

13. Wearing swimsuits will be banned for females.

14. Islamic police department will be established.

Edit:
I forgot to mention what would happen if the Islamists would get the presidency. The president has the power to assign presidents of all state universities and members of our central higher education administration. So everthing would be set to allow headscarf in universities.

We will fix the problems. Don't you worry. Those Arab admirers in Turkia can be sure they will pay for their actions.

Hello everybody. Thank you all who wrote on this topic. It has been a nice read.

Without a doubt my experience on this website has increased my interest on online communities and web sites. It has been a good experience for me.

This website has evolved on its own unique way. It has become an online community of members who like to visit the forums regularly and share their ideas on different subjects with other members.

There are topics here on a wide range of subjects. While this is only natural for such a community it was not exactly within my style of interacting with people or being a part of those interactions. Unfortunately I didn't have the authority on this website and nor the technical talent to make big changes on the ways how the site operates.

Once we tried an editorial way of publishing new articles and we picked some editors for cultural forums but this project failed because most of our editors were to shy to write a few lines on their own field.

Currently I'm more focused creating content for future projects and I'm trying to avoid unnecessarities.

As Turks we have some good and some not so good values. Cultural changes that started with the Internet age have been challanging some of our good values. I think Internet can exist in a different way than most Turkish youths are understanding it to be. We constantly need to work on new and creative solutions to rise the level on Internet based intellectual communications.

If cultural disruption is a truth for todays ipod-msn generation then it is even a more real problem for Turkish youths. As somebody who made these topics an issue of his own life, I might have read things differently then those who are used to a more formal and distant approach.

Well, things change and time passes. We need to move on.

I decided to move this topic to a more appropriate and less eye catching place.

Slavica,
You have certainly put a nice collection together. Thank you. There is very little to add. I sometimes think what is left behind is only a few harmonious words. I wish I had more chance to find them. I sometimes tried. Maybe my army experience can be added to your list.

I think I will spend more time in the future translating a few of my favorite poets and musicians. Maybe I can manage to put those together on the internet somehow. I, unfortunately don't have much talent on creating web sites. I have always avoided becoming a technical person. It is dangerous to dip to much into technicality and to become a technical person. I'm sometimes struggling how to approach todays technical World. Finding a balance is challanging in many ways.

I guess I'll be still around now and then. Bye.

In my opinion, -sene or -sana after verb stem, like in koşsana, baksana, alsana, gitsene etc. ads the meaning "why don't you ...".

When people are stuck in traffic it is common to hear the phrase "yürüsene kardeşim".